The Truth About Hormones, Masculinity & Modern Healthcare

0:00Inside Aspire, and how Tomo got here

Tommo, thank you so much for having me be in Aspire, your gorgeous headquarter medical facility that is partly a museum.

Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

Absolutely. So, if we can jump right into it, I think the most obvious for anybody who's a follower of yours on your social media, you're obviously a very alpha male influencer, bodybuilder, entrepreneur, and today a lot of things get mixed up between women's roles and men's roles. So for you as a guy's guy, somebody who's 100% male influence and all of that, how would you describe the male aura versus the female aura that you think is the most ideal for society today?

All right, we're going to go straight into male female roles. I love it.

Yes.

So, you know, let me preface this first. I was raised by all women,

you know, which is people wouldn't really guess that. I think I had some maybe hyper masculine man that raised me something like that. Father left early, you know, I didn't really have a father figure growing up. So raised by my mother, my grandmother, my aunts, you know, which was mostly working. So I kind of raised myself on the streets, which most 90s kids did, right?

We were we were out all day. We weren't allowed in the house.

We were not allowed in the house,

you know. So knowing that about me, I tend to understand women somewhat, as much as a man can.

Somewhat.

Well, as much as a man can. I No man, if listen, if I understood women completely Yeah.

I'd be a billionaire. That's right. Or you wouldn't be a man.

Yeah. Or I wouldn't be a man. That's right. Male and female roles to me, you know, it's dynamic somewhat, but when I look at what people talk about and you said something, you called me an alpha man, right? An alpha male. A lot of people don't even know what that means.

They think of like this big grunting brute of a man, right? Powerful, maybe hyper angry, maybe hyperaggressive.

Toxic masculinity.

Yeah. They they say toxic masculinity. Masculinity itself is not toxic. Yeah. Those behaviors maybe are toxic, but that's not really what masculinity is or what an alpha male even is. When I look at it, what is a man what is a man supposed to be? Man is supposed to be, in my opinion, if we're going to sum it up, provider and protector. Okay. So, you provide and protect. But it's not just providing like a house or protecting from dangers. You know, those archaic principles.

Yeah.

It's providing everything. You know, emotional stability,

providing what a woman needs, you know, like women and men communicating, right? Men always want to solve the problem.

Yes.

Right.

Yes.

Women usually don't even want the problem solved. They just want to vent.

Yes.

You know, so a man needs to be able to do that. An alpha male can make a woman feel heard. Right. So it's not all about these traditional toxic masculinity things that people talk about. A man is supposed to be providing and protecting everything, including emotions, including love.

You have to provide love. Yeah.

You have to provide comfort. I'm the father of a 2 and a halfyear-old daughter.

Yeah. I have a nickname that somebody actually gave me a long time ago. A woman gave me. She called me Tommo the take no [ __ ] teddy bear.

That's what she called me. She's like, "You can be a grizzly bear when you want to, when you need to." She said, "But you're a giant teddy bear, you know, when you're in the right position."

Yeah.

Put me around my two and a half-year-old daughter.

You will see me be a giant teddy bear

and I will do all the girly things as a girl dad. Right.

So, that's what a man really should be to me. Now, a woman, things have gotten a little weird lately, right?

A lot weird lately.

Okay. a lot weird lately.

Back to the man. Men men have been told toxic. Masculinity is toxic. They've just been told masculinity is toxic without a definition.

Yes.

So, they've been told this and men have become more feminized.

Men have been scared to be more masculine and strong and assertive. And then women on the opposite side have been told to become more masculine.

Right.

And to be like these alpha female boss babe type things.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah. And they're completely with side of our nature in my opinion. Now, are there variances? Of course. You know, do I think that all women need to be at home making babies and cooking? No. Not all women are going to be exactly the same. Do I think men all need to be tacticians with firearms and, you know, bodybuilders and, you know, all these things that I do? No. Not every man is the same either. But when it comes down to it, our nature is our nature. Women are naturally more nurturing, naturally more caring.

Yeah. And if you're going to ask me, as a masculine man, there is nothing better than a feminine woman.

Yes.

Because that's what balances us. You know, we're not battling out in the fields with swords and shields anymore, right?

Yeah.

But we are in a metaphorical term.

Yeah.

And I mean, you know, we're in my office. I'm battling from the moment I wake up to the moment I get home. And I'm battling everything to keep what I build alive. And if this fails, not only does my family starve and multiple generations of my family that are supported by this, my staff, dozens of people that that families depend on this job starve. So that's a lot of pressure on a man, right? On me. I'm talking about my own situation. If I can get home and I have a caring, loving, soft, feminine woman who I can just put my head on her shoulder,

I have all the energy in the world to go do it again and to go into battle again. That's what I think the roles got kind of messed up with. You know, make men again, make women women again. Let's really kind of lean into our more natural roles. And I think, you know, when people start doing that, I think it's a much happier life. Hormones aren't like detrimental or necessarily bad for you.

Yeah.

You know, testosterone, they used to say testosterone causes prostate cancer.

Yeah.

Right. Well, causation correlation, right? You can't say testosterone causes prostate cancer. What they're basing that off of was the fact that when people would get prostate cancer, they would do something called testosterone deprivation therapy. They would take the testosterone out of the men completely. Get them to zero. Basically, put them in a female level of testosterone.

And that helps.

It helps not exacerbate it. Maybe,

okay,

this has now been disproven.

Okay,

so a doctor named Dr. Morgan Tyler out of Men's Health Boston disproved that entire theory.

This was a couple decades ago. And he proved this and he started putting his prostate cancer patients on testosterone. And he's like, you are killing them faster by taking their testosterone away than you are by, you know, from the prostate cancer. He's like, you can treat the prostate cancer while keeping them a man.

I mean, you're

It sounds logical, right?

Sounds logical, right? Yeah. And, you know, they have the same thing with women. Estrogen, breast cancer, right?

Yeah.

Well, the studies that linked quote unquote, I'm saying this with big air quotes, estrogen to breast cancer was a synthetic estrogen made by big pharma.

Yeah, I believe it. Bio identical estrogen estradiol. Yeah.

Okay. So, biioidentical estrogen does not cause breast cancer. If it did, every woman, every young woman going through puberty and going through younger years and and again, every man going through puberty, testosterone levels are through the roof.

Yeah.

They would all have cancers. They would all prostate cancer, breast cancer.

Yep.

That correlation doesn't work.

No.

So, you know, when you look at what runs our body, do you know what the hypothalamary pituitary axis is? Okay. So, HBT

on a high level.

On a high Yeah. So, so your hypothalamus, your pituitary gland signal

7:01Hormones as a signalling system, menopause and andropause

amongst other glands signaling your body to make hormones. If you have a disconnection in there, you have a bunch of health problems.

Yeah.

So, when I talk about hormones being a major proponent for longevity and for health,

what starts happening mid- menopause.

Yeah.

The male equivalent is andropause.

It's a newer term. People know it now. So, basically, and they used to call it a midlife crisis for men, right? So, men will go through a midlife crisis. Corvette and a big tattoo on your back. Leave your wife.

You get tattoos, you leave your wife, you buy a Corvette.

Yeah.

Idiots.

It's not your life is not having a problem. What's happening is you're basically going through a testosterone decline and you're trying to mitigate those feelings by doing something else cuz people didn't know what it was. Now, I mean, we literally save marriages in our clinics. We go from a husband and wife ready to divorce each other to, "Oh, wow. We got the spark back." Well, no. Your biochemistry was completely off.

Yeah. You bring somebody back to an optimal level of hormones. Yeah. You will get the life back into them. And we see this with postmenopausal women constantly. They literally and you know during menopause what goes through you know the mind of a woman. They're you know they're starting to gain body fat. They're starting to have this depression anxiety symptoms. And then you talk about all the other health effects that happen during menopause is all happening because of the decline of hormones. Women major sex hormones progesterone estrogen

right? Testosterone is also one of them. So, you take those hormones and you put them completely in the tank. What do you think your body's going to do? That's like the oil in your car. Yeah.

It's like, okay, you're a Ferrari. At 25 years old, you're a Ferrari. Ferrari motor runs perfect, beautiful. The hum sounds great, everything. Put that oil level at half. Put the transmission level at half. How long is that motor going to run? It's not. You're you're done in months, you know, if not sooner. That's what's happening to your body. The declination of hormones is literally the aging process. Yeah,

it's crazy.

That's very interesting. And I have a question about that. So let's say someone like me who hasn't gone through menopause and every time I've tested my hormones, they're normal.

Sure,

I'll do the quotation the quotes,

but it's always like, well, they're normal. And I've even taken them to my functional doctor and they've always been normal.

So if I've never tested for anything being abnormal or below the range,

sure.

Do your clinic still recommend to someone like me whose tests are normal to take hormones?

It depends

on how you feel. It depends on your symptoms. So symptoms matter almost more than the number.

It's true.

Because we don't know what your normal optimal level is.

Yeah.

So you know when I have there's I actually have perfect story to give us and this is with men but okay we know women are a little more complicated. It includes hormones.

Agreed.

It's what it is% it is what it is.

It is what it is.

So when you have a man though men are pretty easy. It's like you know you pretty much can give them testosterone. They kind of blossom. for women, you know, there's a little bit more nuance

cycles. I mean, you guys are high in the morning. As the day goes by, gets lower and lower. 24-hour cycles. By the next morning, you're replenished again. There you go. It's very simple.

And women are on the 28 day cycle.

Oh my gosh.

Which it's ironic. And you know, we can get into the science behind it, but also like kind of the spirituality behind it. Women are on the moon cycle.

Yeah.

So, women are lunar.

I love that you're saying that to Marie Moon, who's a Cancer and ruled by the moon. Yeah,

that's right. You are a Cancer. I am a cancer too. Yeah. So, yeah. So, you know, women are on the lunar cycle, men are on a solar cycle. We're 24 hours, women are 28 days. So, knowing that it's, you know, women can be a lot more complicated with this, but you know, my point is that, you know, everybody's different.

Yeah, it's true.

So, I have twin brothers that were here. I think they're still patients actually, or one of the brothers maybe. I had twin brothers. They are identical genetically,

but different hormonally.

Oh my goodness.

Like, not

not even close.

Wow.

And one had Yeah. They won't they won't yell at me for saying this because I've said it on podcast before. One had a little bit more of a stressful relationship. Yeah. One had three kids. One had one. One had a job that was at a desk. One had a job that was more active, more physically active. Completely different hormone profiles.

I can see that.

So, what does that tell you? And we don't know their baseline levels because nobody's testing these hormones when

when you're young.

You should be testing them at 18. Really? If I had historical data from 18 for every patient 18 and then maybe every year. So every year you get labs and then maybe when you hit 30 you start doing them twice a year.

That would be amazing

if

the only thing I knew from 20s and 30s was being on the pill.

Yeah.

Which is awful. Awful. But I didn't know but awful.

Yeah.

They're just figuring this out now.

Yeah.

You know, it's super sad to see how many women have fertility problems due to

PCOS. Oh yeah. Endometriosis. So many issues today

due to the prevalence of birth control.

Yeah. Awful.

You know, and

I had no idea back in those days. Like truly didn't know. It's what makes me angry about it is that big medicine did know.

Of course,

they knew. Of

course,

you know, and what's the first thing that young women get as soon as they get their period? Oh, you have cramps. It hurts a little bit.

Here's some birth control. This will help mitigate your symptoms. What it does is it stops your cycle completely. It's not normal. So, you end up

cancer in the long term.

Yeah. So, you have this you have this basically stoppage of your natural cycle. Yeah.

What is that doing to your hormones? What does it do to your fertility? We have women coming in and they're in their late 20s, early 30s, mid-30s. They have fertility problems. They basically have menopausal symptoms.

Wow. Scary.

So crazy when I hear that women go through menopause at a young I'm in my late 40s. I can't even imagine

going through menopause. And I see it all the time now. Young ladies, 30s, 40s, going through menopause.

And I mean, a lot of women are being kind of pushed into full hysterctomies, things like that

that I've seen.

You know, it's it's super sad,

brutal. And that's a major surgery and just getting your tubes tight.

Yeah. So, you know, you have all of these things that the mainstream medicine system is talking about with hormones. I mean, thankfully, and whether or not I don't care what people's political belief is, whether you like RFK, not like RFK, you know, the MA, which whatever I started Maha, by the way, Gary, we know that

you started.

I I didn't tell you that. No.

So, I actually had a Make America Healthy Again shirt in 2021. It was started in 2020.

I want to see a picture.

I I'll show you. Do we have I have it? Yeah,

before you ever had it.

I'm not joking. I have it right here. So, 2020. I'm going to show you right now.

I think we need to send that over to the White House.

I uh I'm pretty sure that he already saw because we do have uh friends and connections in there.

I can't believe that. Wow.

Yeah, this is really funny. So, I made this Make America Healthy Again shirt and you know, they started that

posted it as well on your social media. So, it was up.

Let me see if I can find it for you real quick. Yeah. So, you know, whether you like what RFK is doing or not, it doesn't really matter. The point is that what he's doing is he's bringing to the forefront the realities of medicine.

Yeah.

You know, so there's there's men and women out there that have been demonized for hormone therapies. Here we go.

Y

September 7th, 2021.

Can I see this?

Wow. Make America Healthy. And it's Aspire. It's Make America Healthy.

Literally the date is September 7th. I'm going to screenshot it and you send it to me.

September 7th, 2021. That is so cool. Like

14:03The term he coined, and the trademark he could not get

you actually that's amazing. I was like, "What do you mean you started my

I started it?" Yeah. Yeah. I You know what's funny is I actually tried to trademark it. They wouldn't let me.

And now I'm sure it's well trademarked.

I actually think it's not. I think because Make America blank again.

It's too much of a common phrase. So

you can't trademark it.

I think people did trademark maha.

Yeah.

Um in certain categories, but I wasn't saying maha. I was saying make America healthy again. Yeah.

So yeah, the trademark failed unfortunately. If I did try, it would have been great.

I love that you started it though.

Maybe RFK owes me royalties or something.

Yeah, that is very cool.

You know, but what his FDA has done recently, they took the blackbox warnings off of hormone therapy for women.

Yeah.

And they're saying now, oh, well, hormone therapy for women is lifesaving, you know, for the older population. Of course, it is. We've been I've been saying this

since I've studied hormones, you know, and I did I did 10 years of research just for my own benefit on hormones.

And you got certified in Dubai, right? I certified in Dubai and the US actually. So I got the actually certifications are up there on the wall over in the corner. So I went to Dubai uh for the first certification. I went to an A4M certification for uh anti-aging and advanced uh biioidentical hormone therapy.

But isn't that a certification that doctors do?

Oh yeah, they were a little bit.

They just decided you're a doctor and you're going to go do that.

They didn't ask. So

they assumed you were a doctor. They

they even printed my certificate with a doctor. Doctor Dr. Tommy Slav Marjanovic is what it said on there. And I was like, "Oh, hey, sorry. I'm not a doctor. You know, can you change it?" They're like, "What do you mean you're not a doctor?

What are you doing here?"

And then I did the exact same thing with World Link Medical. And since then, they are very very stringent on checking credentials.

I can understand. But you are an expert in the area of hormone health.

I would I mean,

it started as a passion for yourself. You loved bodybuilding. You actually went into the police force with a love of that. So, you've kind of had it your whole It reminds me a little bit, the way you tell some of the stories in the book. It reminds me a little bit of the Netflix Schwarzenegger documentary. Oh, yeah. Of course. It had a bit of a dad vibe and you definitely love hormone health. It's a passion for you and it seems like it's your mission to educate mankind on the benefits of hormone health.

Yeah. Just, you know, I look at our clinics and I don't even consider us hormone clinics necessarily and I'll explain why.

Okay.

I consider us preventive and regenerative medicine clinics.

Yeah.

You know, do we focus on hormones a lot? Yes. But I consider hormones preventive. Yes.

I consider them regenerative.

They control everything. Everything. Yeah. Everything.

Including our minds, you know. So I

And I'll tell you how true that is on controlling our mind. Just as a woman,

every month before my period, I tell myself, "Okay, Marit, you're a very sane, level-headed woman, and it's coming. And when it comes, you're going to think you're really ugly. All sorts of things are going to pop up, and they're not true. And you just need to remember that it's all hormonal.

Wow.

And then and I tell myself that and then it comes and the hormones are down to the floor in the ludial phase and after you start on your cycle and I'll wake up in the morning and I'll look in the mirror and I'll say, "Wow, I lied to myself. I really am a monster

and all I can see when there's no hormones left in the body and of course I'm exaggerating. There's a little bit of hormones left. I can't like you can't even see your mind can't even see what you're normally able to see.

Sure.

All you see is this weird fragmented and it's upsetting to not to know ahead of time that you're going to lose your hormones

and you're not going to feel great. And even though I'm, you know, I'm eating the steaks and I'm sleeping enough and I'm taking my vitamins and still to function on no hormones in the ludial phase and to have progesterone go from that to that almost overnight is brutal and it does affect your mind.

Now imagine that exacerbated and continuous. Imagine that. That's what menopause is. And that's also

Wow. Now I can't I can't fully imagine that.

But you know if you can imagine how how women have been treated for decades

Yeah. being told, "No, this is fine. This is normal."

They love to gaslight us. Well,

just FYI, having been stuck in the medical system in 2024,

doctors, er doctors, regular, they love to gaslight women. I can and I'm sorry, I'm not trying to hurt all doctor's feelings and generalize.

It's not all doctors. There are some good ones.

And it's more men than female. I can tell you that.

But I've been gas lit to no end.

Yeah. And you know, so imagine the millions and millions and millions of women who have been told this is normal. There's nothing you can do about it. You just have to get through it. That's what women were told through menopause.

Or they put you on psych drugs, which I've never taken and I never will. But that's what I mean by the gaslighting. They'll also tell you without examining you that you have anxiety and you need to be on antiscychotics, anti-depressants, SSRIs, benzo, all of that. Well, so what's one of the side effects, the major side effects of declining sex hormones in men and women?

What is it?

Depression, anxiety.

You You 100% have anxiety. That's right.

You 100% have anxiety. You 100% have depression. If you're a man or a woman with low hormones.

Yeah.

So, how do you fix it? It's not from the band-aid method of big pharma. Here's your here's your pill for your for your symptom. Here's your pill for your symptom. Here's your patch for your symptom. Here's this for your symptom. What's the root cause? So what we do here, we look at prevention, regeneration of what your body is doing. If you put your body processes back to normal,

yeah,

you live a better life. It's like, and here's here's the one thing that I don't want to say it irks me, but it's it's a question I hear so often and I I almost want to like uh I would love to just tell everyone just straight away like, well, do I have to take these hormones for the rest of my life? So Well, no, you don't have to. You can go back to feeling like [ __ ]

Yeah. Not to mention our blood work regularly and things fluctuate.

Of course. Well, things are going to fluctuate. That's normal. That's a normal part of your life. But it's like, you know, I have I have some men, they're like, well, you know, I've been on testosterone therapy. Do I have to take this for the rest of my life? If you want to feel good,

I can see that because I don't question my vitamins every day. I take my magnesium, my potassium, I take my basics, and I don't ever think I'm going to take it for two days and then I'm not going to take it for the rest of the year.

Yeah. Well, you're going to take it because it's helping you feel better. helping your body work better.

For me, yes, for sure.

For for people that need hormones.

Yeah.

When you need them. Now, again, you know, going back to the bodybuilding thing now, that's misuse. There's a big difference. If you take Tylenol, if me and you have a headache, not that I take Tylenol, give me a better example. I don't even know. There's vitamins out there. Actually, Gary, we talked about this one.

Is great. Magnesium glycinate's great.

But there's a vitamin that if you you can overdose on it and die.

Oh, what is that?

I don't remember which one it is. We can probably Google it,

but uh or actually no, nobody uses Google anymore. It's more chaty PT, right?

Or Claude.

Yeah. Or Claude. Claude is better. But there's a vitamin out there that if you take too much of it, you can actually die. So, it's the same thing harmwise as hormones. And even getting

21:05The dose makes the poison, from Tylenol to coffee

Look at coffee.

Even coffee is a poison in large amounts. Anything is.

Anything is. It's about using it the proper way. Yeah. You know, but if we're going to go back to the Tylenol example, if I took a Tylenol because I have a screaming headache,

you're fine. You're not going to die.

Yeah.

If I take a whole bottle of Tylenol, you're dead. Yeah.

You're going to die

potentially. Yeah.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, you may have Yeah. You may need to get your stomach pumped or something, but you're in a you're in a bad place.

So, you know, when you look at the the usage of hormones and the abuse of hormones, yeah, that's what's going to cause you problems. But if you're using it properly under managed care, you're getting blood work regularly and you manage what that's supposed to be, it's nothing but great. There's no negative side effects when it's properly used. And I'm I'm saying that with all with all, you know, confidence and you're saying, "What? No side effects?" No, zero.

But that's the tricky part is that and I'll tell you cuz I've seen women in my age group in their 40s go through a lot. Is that for example progesterone? Are you taking a cream? Are you taking a pill? Are you taking pellets to your butt? Are you so It's so easy to misdiagnose. Yeah, I don't know about testosterone if it's as easy to misdiagnose as it is women because we're constantly changing especially when we haven't gone through menopause. The fluctuations and the different forms of hormone therapy are just complicated.

Yeah. So with women, we usually suggest women get their lab work done

often

days 1 through seven of their cycle because that's what we want to see. That's when we're going to see if it's too low. Yeah.

Right. Because if you do it towards the end of your cycle, you're definitely low.

Yeah. Of course. Of course.

So that's that's why we do it that way. So we want to see kind of like the height of it. You know, for women that are not cycling, I'm going to tell you right now, if you're already postmenopausal, it is only going to help you live longer to be on hormones. You can't refute the data. For women, what are the major things that happen postmenopausal? Osteoporosis. Why is that happening? Testosterone. Seriously,

I ended up with that in my 40s, having regular cycles.

Sure. Would your testosterone low, though? We don't know. We don't have historical lab work. Maybe

I don't have historical lab work.

Yeah. So, but maybe we don't know. You know, that's that's the hard part about it. Well,

you know, when you look at women, another major thing is Alzheimer's and dementia. Major problem with women.

Major,

but postmenopausal. Why? Testosterone, estradile, progesterone, all of them tie to your brain.

Yeah.

Same thing with men. Men, a lot of issues that happen later in life, you know, the highest rate of suicide between men and women, men are way super

men way 80%, right?

Way superior. We We get more depressed, you guys get more suicidal.

Yeah, we take a little more action on it, I guess.

Yes. I was

I hate to say it as horribly as that.

I was about to say, "Yeah, we'll suffer with it." You guys are like, "I'm out." Like, "Yeah, we're done.

I'm not talking about my feelings. I'm out."

Yeah. But a lot of that is tied to a low testosterone thing. Um, we have guys that are military, ex law enforcement, you know, fire, you name it. One of the major issues with that kind of job and that kind of stress and that kind of work is declination of sex hormones, which is testosterone mainly. We have a military guy. I've told the story dozens of times on podcast and interviews. He came in ex-military and he's been through the VA system, antiscychotics, anti-depressants, you know, suicidal

tendency, everything in the book. Yeah. PTSD, you name it. He came in with literally a grocery bag, like a Publix bag full of meds. And we test his testosterone. It was low. It was like 150. So, you know, way under where he needed to be. VA wouldn't help him. We get him on testosterone therapy. He comes back, I want to say 8 to 10 weeks later, which was his follow-up appointment. Yeah,

he's off of all medications. Not one. All

wow.

All medications are gone. His depression is gone. His anxiety is gone. His suicidal ideiations are gone. All this stuff is now disappeared. Blood pressure fixed, cholesterol fixed. Weird

from testosterone

from getting testosterone back up. He had two reactions. One was gratitude. He was so happy this happened. The second was furious anger. This is a big guy. This is a big big guy. He's pounding the table. Why the f didn't the, you know, VA test this? Why didn't they care enough about that?

Because they get everybody on psych drugs is the answer.

Well, they gave them band-aids, which is unfortunately and

but those aren't even band-aids. Those cause suicide,

the black label warning. So, they get them on psych drugs instead of testosterone

because that's how they make money.

Sure.

The pharmaceutical industry is who I'm talking about.

And even though it says on there that it will make you suicidal, it doesn't matter cuz they get them hooked on that. So, of course, they're not going to put them on testosterone. Why would they?

Well, it fixes every problem. So, you

Yeah, but they're not trying to fix them.

Exactly. They're trying to treat the symptoms. And by treating singular symptoms, which cause more symptoms, you have them on this hamster wheel of drug use, you know, pharmaceutical drug use, right? That's covered by insurance or whatever. But still, people are getting paid, you know, and that's how it works. And he was so mad about it, but, you know, also grateful.

Yeah.

It's a crazy phenomenon that I see. But it's also that's one of the reasons that I love what I do. It's one of the reasons I love these clinics because I have stories like this constantly. Whether it's a military guy like that or whether it's a post-menopausal woman who said, "Oh my god, you gave my life back." And then her husband will call and say,

"You gave me my wife back."

Wow.

And then he kind of like quiet, by the way, uh I I can't keep up with her because she's chasing me around the house. Whatever you did to her, do to me.

That's awesome.

And then he gets on testosterone and then they're chasing each other around the house. Save their marriage

because they were they were done. They weren't intimate. They hated each other. They were constantly each other's throats. It's But they weren't even themselves.

That's very cool. I mean, I can definitely see that. And although I've never tried hormone therapy myself of any kind, I do definitely understand what it feels like to be fatigued and lose some of your happiness and it's brutal. Now, I haven't gone through menopause, right? So, I don't know what that feels like, but I could see how when people get to an age and a stage where they're no longer interested in the opposite sex sexually, I can see how your happiness would decline.

Sure. But it's also a biochemical thing. You know, biochemistry, it's real in your body. And you know, if you ask anybody what I mean, do you feel well as you did maybe at 20? But most people are going to say no, right? You know, how did you feel at 20 years old? Well, I was invincible. I could be out all night. I could sleep less. I could go skiing and fall down the entire mountain. I actually did that at 19 years old. Yeah.

You know, but if I did that now, I'm going to the hospital. You know what I mean? Even with optimal hormones, I'm 40 years old. I get it. Yeah.

You know, but at 18 years old, your body is such a high functioning machine.

Yeah.

You know, so if you can if you can tell somebody, make them understand, I can get your machine high functioning again. I can turn back that clock. I tell people that are like, you know, when I do this like somewhat elevator pitch of like what I do. Yeah. And they get it and it snaps people, they're literally looking at me like, can I give you my wallet? Like take my money. You know what I mean?

Anything to be happy and feeling healthy again.

Health is wealth, man. I

health is wealth. And I like how you talk about that in the book too, by the way,

that health comes before wealth. And I I quoted it when I I took it as a quote from your book. And I love that because you know the saying of you can have a million problems until you get sick and then you only have one problem.

28:06Why nothing ranks above your health

Yeah. Yeah. Those problems all disappear, don't they?

Yeah. And then it's just your health. Nothing comes before that.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, anybody can put themselves in that situation where if you're a big baby like me, even if I have a cold, I'm like, "This is awful. This is miserable. All I want to happen is this cold go away." Yes.

But you know, for people that like really like have a true health problem, a person going through cancer,

does it matter that they're a billionaire, they would give all of it away

to feel healthy again, to feel healthy again, you know? So, when I tell people and you think about this, it's like, man, you can really prevent a lot of this stuff. And now it's harder. Let's just be honest, and I and I I go over this in the book, too. Yeah. You know, the world around us, I hate to be just so morose about it, but the world it's like trying to kill us.

Yeah. Yeah,

our food is poison. Especially here in America, you know, and other places too, but America wins. We have the most toxic food. We have the most contaminated water really. I mean, it's brutal.

It's crazy,

you know. So, when you look at that

and then, you know, microlastics and

chemtrails and fluoride and seed oils and it doesn't end.

You name it.

And Bill Gates at the helm of every new mosquito and fake meat and everything that exists. God bless

the tick stuff. Yeah, that stuff is crazy.

Yeah, it's I don't even want to go grounding anymore now that he's released the next stage of

there's farmers finding them all over the place.

I I've been seeing stuff on that. Yeah.

Yeah. So, if for people that don't know about this, it's scary, you know, but you talk about bowarfare. Is it bowarfare? We're We can tin foil hat this. You know what I mean? We I have tinfoil hats upstairs. Yeah. So, I can put one on if we'll put a metaphorical tin foil hat on here. You know, is big pharma wanting people to be sick so they can sell more medication? I don't know. Was anybody around in 2020?

I mean, any other way that they make money?

You know how many trillions of dollars was made on

vaccines and certain treatments that, you know, for a virus that

may or may not have been man-made?

By the way, that still gets throttled.

Mhm.

That one subject. I had a YouTube channel of celebrity interviews precoid that had one interview with a celebrity on the jab and YouTube took down my entire channel. Oh, yeah. deleted it.

Oh, yeah.

It was around 2018 or something like that.

And then I was talking to celebrity psychiatrist that I was I just did an interview with in Park City, Dr. Joseph, and of all his controversial videos on the harmful effects of psych drugs, the only one YouTube throttled was on that same topic. So, it's still

it's still happening.

It's still happening.

You can talk about a little more.

It's shocking to me that it's even happening with this administration and MA, but it's still happening. Well, these are private companies. YouTube's private. It's Google. True.

You know, it's a private company. They can do whatever they want.

They can do whatever.

You know, social media, uh, Facebook and Instagram, I mean, Meta in general, if they don't want that stuff out there, they'll they'll take it out, you know. And then you talk about news media and stuff like that. You know,

you're talking about PR.

Yeah. You're a PR person. So, this is what this is what you

propaganda is ridiculous.

Well, let's be real. CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, you think they want to have me on their programs? No. Every sponsor of their ad, every ad sponsor is a medical company.

Of course, it is.

You know, I was watching uh what was I was watching NBA game. I rarely watch TV. Yeah. But I'm from Cleveland and the Cleveland Cavaliers happen to be in the Eastern Conference Finals or Eastern Conference. Yeah, Eastern Conference Finals. They're not doing too well, but whatever. You know, New York's doing better.

But I'm watching it.

Every other commercial was for a drug. And I'm I sat here and patiently listened instead of getting angry about it. And I'm I'm I'm sitting here listening. I'm like, "Okay, what is this drug treating?" Whatever the whatever uh thing they have. Okay, great. Let's let's wait for the the list of side effects. They're listing the side effects, by the way, while the person's like running in the park with a smile.

Oh, yeah. Butterflies.

With butterflies and rainbows. Yeah.

So, you know, and I'm hearing this and it's like the side effects are way worse than what the issue actually

worse. It doesn't even make sense. You understand? Even when I was really sick in 2024, my heart would not stop racing and despite CT scans, echo cardiograms and every test that you can do on the heart, my heart was perfect. But they couldn't stop my heart from racing. It was before I fixed all my vitamin deficiencies with my functional health doctor. But what they put me on beta blockers, those made me very ill. So then they had the bright idea of putting me on evaporine which

is the strongest drug there is for heart failure but nothing is wrong with my heart and it's still and on my last hospitalization at country me hospital.

Yeah countryside. Yeah

for almost two weeks they then just upped me to the highest dose of heart failure medication the highest 7 and a half milligrams. So I've been through it and then when I finally found my aruveetic functional doctor he said Marit look at the side effects it causes heart palpitations and a racing heart and nervousness. I was like why am I feeling nervous? It says on there it will cause that on top of a million other things. Sure. Sure. So even the only symptom it was supposed

to stop which is my heart's racing it causes but I was still on I couldn't I couldn't figure this out when I I was already so drugged and looped in that system I'm not feeling good I I'm not sleeping for months if I actually fall asleep in a hospital bed for two hours they come to do vitals again nobody cares that you're not sleeping they're feeding you peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in there and then it's like okay but now your low for your low blood

pressure will also put you on flu glutcortisone and it just doesn't end and you just get sicker and sicker. By the time I left, I was like, "Never

will you find me in the medical system again. I don't care if I had the C word."

Yeah.

I do not care what you give me. I'm handling it naturally and I will never be stuck in that system again.

Yeah. So, you know, mainstream medicine is very, very good at one thing.

Emergency medicine and nothing else. No offense. Nothing else.

Truly. Yeah.

I break something, I'm going in there.

There you go. Yeah,

if you get in a car accident and you're all messed up, the best place for you

is not in a red light therapy bed. You need to go to the yard.

100%.

So, let's be real about that. You know, hormone therapy is not going to help you there.

No.

So,

maybe later.

Yeah. Maybe later. Right. Yeah. Some peptides or something like that to help you heal faster. But, you know, they're really, really good at that emergency medicine part. Yeah. You know, and my business partner and the medical director, chief medical officer of my companies, his name is Dr. Joseph Clark.

20 plus years in emergency medicine.

So, he knows emergency medicine. He went and got trained. Actually, he and I did the World Link medical certification together.

Oh, wow. He went with you, too.

He went with me. I The first one we went uh in person to Salt Lake City and uh Dr. Neil Ruseier, he's like he's one of the OGs of hormone therapy. One of the OGs. This guy was doing hormone therapy when Arnold was competing.

Wow.

So, we're talking Yeah. old school days. Yeah. This guy This guy's old school. And I remember him asking everybody in the room, and there's probably like 60 70 people in there. Who is a gyne gynecologist?

35:07Credentials in the room, and who gets to speak on hormones

Raise their hands. Who is a endocrinologist? Raise their hands. Who's emergency medicine? Raise your hands. who's a nurse practitioner raised their hands. I'm sitting right in front of him. He's like, "You didn't raise your hand."

Cuz I'm none of them.

And as he's like,

"I'm a bodybuilder."

He's like, "Are you" He's like, "What do you do?" I said, "I own the clinics that this doctor works for. He's my business partner." And he stopped and he said, I didn't understand what he meant by this, but he told me later. He's like, "You're the smartest person in the room." I'm like, "What do you mean by that?" And he explained it later during that course in front of everybody, and everybody scoffed at this. By the way, these are all doctors. I'm the only non-medical person in the building.

Yeah.

And he said, "You haven't been tainted by the mainstream medical system."

That's that was his point because everybody else is going to have a hard time understanding what he's saying because they're going to fight them. He's saying he's saying, "No, don't do this. Do not put them on cholesterol medication. Fix this.

Do not do not treat them for this. Look at their thyroid." And he's going at root cause. Root cause medicine is incredible. Of course

you you can fix so many things by just targeting something internal that is triggering all these events

100%. You know many of my problems were solved with even more salt although I was already taking a lot of salt

fixing the vitamin deficiencies getting methylated vitamins the b more sleep

the basic of the basics.

We tell everybody to fix those first.

Yeah. Even

you do even before you prescribe them hormone therapy.

Oh we deny people all the time.

Really?

Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, and people look at us, you know, they're like, "That's that's strange." Like, well, you know, that's disingenuous.

Yeah.

That's being just like the old medicine model. The future of medicine is actually fixing the problems, not exacerbating it, but also not overloading people with medication.

You want to have the most minimal intervention with the maximal effect.

There you go.

That's how medicine should be, you know. So, you know, and there's a lot of great clinics like mine out here, but there's a lot of bad actors as well.

Yes. you know that my my industry is quite dirty um to say the least, you know,

and I don't think that it's entirely dirty, but I think that it's also contaminated with less competent beings.

Yes. But it's, you know, they're using the old model.

Oh, yeah.

You know, in in new age medicine,

no different than getting root canals today. They're still swearing by root canals. It's no different than that.

Yeah. I mean, pulling your wisdom teeth, all that stuff, you know,

been there, done that, paid the price.

Yeah. They're saying there's uh there's a lot of benefits to keeping your wisdom teeth. And you know, again, we can go into deep diving this, you know,

biological dentistry as well. Yeah.

Well, why do people get their wisdom teeth? Well, they don't have enough room in their mouth. Why don't they have enough room in their mouth?

Yeah.

I mean, do you know about this? But the facial bone structure. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So, why do why do people not have enough room for their uh wisdom teeth? They're supposed to have room there.

Why don't you? Well, because you were fed soft foods your entire life in the beginning. You want to know what my daughter was doing at six, seven, eight months old? She's biting off ribe eyes.

So good. This is so good.

Truly. Yeah. You know, she's eating hard foods, you know. Yeah. Oh, well, choking hazards. This and that. It's like, listen, guys. Humans have been around for a long time. We managed to make I don't even know how I'm alive. When I hear some of the stuff that people like,

they're like, "Oh, well, what about this and what about that and like, you know, put them to bed this way and put it and do this thing." I'm like, I'd be dead.

Yeah.

The way I was right, we didn't have seat belts.

We had nothing. We rank out of the hose.

Yeah.

Somebody was joking. Uh, I saw these videos on the internet on how soft teenagers are today and they talk about their workout routines and the lady's like, "Honey, in the 90s I was snorting cocaine and running around in high heels and nothing was wrong with me." You know, it really we really did n the '9s were a different generation.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, up until 2010,

yeah,

it it was different.

It was different. It was I will give you something to cry about.

Well, there was something

you were not allowed to cry. There was a social media video. I think I sent it to you. Um, and there was a social media video and they were talking about uh, you know, so what you you guys were drinking out of the hose. U,

I saw that.

And you you know what I'm talking about. And she's like, we were not allowed.

We were not allowed in the house. We're not allowed in the house. Remember, mom was cleaning the house. Get out for how long? The entire day.

You You came back when the street lights came on. And then she was talking about the news

that they would forget. So they had a 10:00 where you know where your children are. That's real.

Yeah. Of course, now you have these helicopter parents that are constantly watching. I'm like, you got to let these kids breathe a little bit. You gota you got to let them breathe. You got to you got to let them develop.

Yeah.

But I mean, you know, going back into the health thing, these kids are growing up malnourished

completely

riddled with toxins and poisons and microplastics and you name it. I mean, it's

all of it. The whole thing. Well, so here

sorry to say the V word again in case we get over it's on first time was on you now it's on me.

I'll say I'll say it straight away and I've made I made uh viral videos about this um about my daughter not having a single vaccine.

I that's how I raised mine there. But imagine 24 years ago how controversial that was

40 years ago. I never have been vaccinated.

Really?

Yeah. My brother either.

No way. So my mom denied everything.

My mom is epic.

Yeah. So my mom my mom's like, "No, they're perfect. They don't need anything."

No way.

Oh yeah. So we were She denied everything.

She beat me. I've I've never heard of anyone that beat me.

Yeah. So 85 uh

and no vaccine

back then. There were only like maybe seven or eight.

There weren't a lot.

You know, there wasn't a lot.

Yeah.

Um you know, and I I do have some parents that'll message me, especially after I made that video, and they're like like, "Well, what if I just follow the 1980s vaccine schedule?" I said, I wish I could say that was good.

Why follow any vaccine schedule? I didn't do anything with my kids 24 years.

And they're probably more

They grew up They grew up with no Yeah. My daughter is extremely healthy, you know. I mean, she's running circles around everybody. She's smart. She's talking in full sentences. Doesn't stop. Two and a half.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah. She's she is learning at a faster pace than everybody in her age group that has had all those

medications. You know,

I got a lot of slack for it though over the years when I and you know, 24 years ago is a long time ago. If, god forbid, they got they had a cold or something or a flu where I had to take them in or something was injured. I mean, the doctors looked at me like I was insane and made me wrong and all of that that I basically brought them in and endangered the hospital. And I've asked one doctor, I was like, "Wait, if all the kids in here are vaccinated,

how is my child endangering your hospital? Aren't Aren't the other kids endangering my kids by that

little logical statement that you just made

during that

I could never make sense of it

during that 2020 2021 time frame that we all know of.

Yeah.

That weird time and place in the world. I would have people yelling at me about not having my jab.

Yeah.

I'm like, "You got yours, right?"

Yeah. So, what do you like?

Yeah. I'm like, "Aren't you protected? What are you worried about? Aren't you protected?"

Yeah. And all the boosters they got as well. Listen, to each their own. You know, I have no issue at all with someone making the conscious choice to get

42:08On not forcing a way of eating on anyone

whatever they want.

100%.

But don't force me.

100. I also

don't force my daughter.

It's so true. I have no issues with how people eat.

No. Like none.

Eat how you want.

Yeah.

I'm trying to tell people that there's a better way of doing it.

Completely.

And now, if you don't think that I eat some bad food here and there,

of course I do. You know, but although I'm going to tell you something, it it made me kind of sad. Uh, and I sent this to my team and it was talking about the seed oil thing and I was like because I love cheat meals and when I was bodybuilding

you were hungry.

Listen, I had some epic cheat meals.

I can imagine.

And I was so lean and I would get very lean very quickly. So I had to have these refeeds and I would literally be told go get two double cheeseburgers, two orders of fries and a large pizza. And I would eat that whole thing and the next morning I'd be shredded veins everywhere all this craziness. You know my body was a you know

machine at that point. So, I found out recently about seed oils and how long they stay in your body. It ruined cheat meals for me forever.

It's brutal. I won't touch it.

Well, see, but I mean like I like a pizza sometimes. I like a burger sometimes. I want to eat some crappy food sometimes cuz it's I I like it sometimes, right?

But you have to kind of weigh consequences of it.

And I didn't think that it was going to be in my body for so long. They said it takes two years for your body to rid yourself of the toxicity from seed oils and all this other crap. That's brutal.

I'm like, "No, well, that ruined it."

Yeah. Right. You know, you know, Anthony Chaffy, the carnivore doctor, so they've asked him, "Do you do cheat meals?" And he's like, "Would you ask a heroin addict?"

Yeah.

If they take heroin once in a while, no. Said, "Absolutely not."

That's a good way of putting it, you know.

Yeah.

Well, so what I do instead is I'll fabricate my own cheat meals because you can make a healthy cheeseburger.

100%.

You can make a healthy pizza.

Yeah.

Actually, go to Italy. Yeah.

Have you been?

Yeah.

Okay. You have pizza in Italy?

Yes.

Okay. So, pizza in Italy doesn't make you feel like crap.

No.

It doesn't make you fat. It doesn't make you sluggish.

Yeah.

You actually feel okay.

Yeah.

What's the difference? It's the ingredients.

Of course.

You know, so bread. If you eat bread out of a grocery store in the United States, you are crazy.

No matter what bread, even the sourdough bread, if you look, they all have seed oils in them.

Well,

which I'm carnivore now. I don't touch any of it, but they all have seed oils in them.

My mom makes uh sourdough bread. It's got five ingredients. He's had it. My whole team My whole team in the clinic has had it. My team upstairs have had it

and they love it.

It's insane. Yeah.

But if you go and buy bread at a store, how many ingredients are supposed to be in bread? Four to five. So, water, flour, yeast, salt. So, let's let's say that's the four.

Yeah.

The average bread at a grocery store has 15.

Awful. And and we're not even gonna get into the quality of the flower and everything else, but there's a reason that I can go to Italy and Croatia and you even the Middle East. I'll I'll be in Dubai in 10 days and then I'll be in Poland after that.

Oh yeah. To that thing you said I'm not allowed to come to.

Unfortunately,

I tried signing up.

Yeah. You would have been the only woman and unfortunately it's not even us. Uh the the facility will not allow it.

Yeah. It's so funny. And I'm so not that girl that's like uh tomboy. I'm like exact opposite. I like Wait, you're going where?

You wouldn't have had fun.

There's no way. You would have hated it. A bunch of CIA agents and Yeah. No,

there's a Yeah, there's a lot of uh

I won't even go camping these days. That's how great

I mean, we were just we were just talking. We had a couple guys coming from like Syria and, you know, places that, you know, they're

bunch of alpha dog males going going shooting tactical.

We're doing a bunch of tactical training. Yeah. So, that's what I'll be in Poland for. But when I'm there, I will be losing weight because the food is just such a high quality where here I have to be so careful. And you know, it's not just me that I'm worried about. It's my family. Yeah. It's my daughter, you know. So, I have to be so careful on what I'm feeding her because I don't want her to have I don't want her to have hormonal damage

when she's going through puberty.

Absolutely.

You know, or fertility damage or something like that because she's eating all these seed oils, microplastics, preservatives, artificial colors

and your bones not fully developing as they could be when you're young. I'll tell you that's the opposite of how I grew up. Mhm.

I grew up in Nigeria, Africa, and the only drink I remember was Fanta

and Coca-Cola. And so my entire young years and junior high and high school. And since I was a kid, they let me drink coffee with tons of sugar in it. So it was Coca-Cola and coffee.

Okay.

And I remember even waking up at 6:00 in the morning not feeling good as a teenager and running to the pantry, drinking a Coke, and going back to sleep.

Wow. And then I'm surprised that I developed osteoporosis in my 40s. But you see, you don't even give yourself a chance to develop properly.

And that's not even uncommon the way I grew up drinking sodas. There's nothing uncommon about that. I didn't as an adult, but I did enough damage in all of my developmental years to pay for it into my adulthood.

Yeah. So, I mean, the way that we grew up, it was a very Balkan household. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't. And we were also I grew up extremely poor.

Yeah.

So, we only ate what was cooked at the house.

There was no going out to dinner, none of that kind of stuff. Mom cooked or grandma cooked or my aunt cooked.

Yes.

And it was all real food.

Good healthy food. Yeah.

You know, and we didn't drink soda because we couldn't afford it.

Wow.

You drank water. You drank milk.

Wow.

That's what you drank. You didn't have a choice.

And that's totally fine. That's actually good.

I mean, you know, that's I think I credit my health. I credit that 1470 tesium level to my family

because I was eating real hardy food from real sources. I mean, we would go to the Croatian bakeries and the Croatian butchers and stuff like that, we're eating real food. It's different.

Yeah. The problem now is that again, you know, you have these people and you know, going back to the denial of medications. When I see a kid come in here 25 years old, sometimes younger, and they're out of shape,

they have a lot of fat, they're depressed, they're anxious, they they have all these issues, right? And I'm looking at them and we we'll let them get their labs tested cuz I want them to have the data. Of course, their testosterone, let's say, comes back under 500. The doctor tells them they're normal. Of course, cuz over 300 is normal.

Yeah,

sure it is. So they're coming back, they're low, and I'm looking I'm like, "You need to be at 900 to,200." "Well, can I start TRT?" I said, "What's your lifestyle like?" You know, and these are the practitioners are saying this, too. What's your lifestyle like? Well, you know, I'm sedentary. Um, you know, they start telling me what they're doing. They're playing video games all day. They're not exercising. You're not out in the sun. Yeah, sun's not bad for you, by the way. Crazy.

Clearly.

So, they start telling me all this stuff or telling my practitioners this. What our staff will do, you know, if like if we can mitigate something, we will. If they're morbidly obese, we're going to help them. But lifestyle first because a lot of what they're experiencing can be corrected

100%.

Exercise, sleep. Half these young people are staying up all night

and are deconditioned.

Oh yeah.

Completely. You can you can be in as good of shape as you are and get a flu for a few weeks and you get deconditioned.

Some people are not moving

for months and years.

Oh yeah.

Like minimal movement.

Do you uh count your steps during a day?

49:10Walking, and what Mirit did after the hospital

Yeah,

you do. Okay. Yeah. It's like a 10,000 step rule.

Yeah.

That's low. By the way,

that's what saved me when I got out of the hospital system. I just went walking every day for up to 10,000. Even if I felt like I couldn't, my heart was racing. I did my every single day religiously and I healed probably just mostly from that and reversed my osteoporosis in under a year.

I was already exercising. I was already walking, but just fixing all the nutritional things with the walking. I didn't do heavy, you know, they say you need to weightlift to fix your house. I was weightlifting. I was doing progressive muscular overload. Ended up with osteoporosis. But just continuing movement and fixing deficiencies, I managed to reverse it in under a year.

Yeah. I mean, there's that saying, a body in motion stays in motion, right? And a body at rest stays at rest. I have a hard time resting even if I get like a cold or something. Yeah. I'll keep moving.

Same.

If I get like sick sick, which is very rare.

Yeah.

But if I like get a flu or something, which I think I've had maybe the flu twice in 15 years.

Wow. One of the last times I remember getting the flu is when everybody else got a flu shot.

Yeah.

Everybody around me got a flu shot and I got the flu.

They're shedding on you.

I don't know something. Yeah.

You know, uh but you know if you're in motion and that 10,000 steps, by the way, that's like they say that's

minimum.

That is really minimal.

That is really And sometimes I'm only in at five.

Yeah,

I try, you know, but the days when I've had more than 10, I feel great. It's just time consuming.

Of course,

it's really timeconsuming. I mean, whenever I'm overseas, whether it's Middle East, Europe, um, wherever I go

or if I I like to travel uh to mountainous regions, so I love going hiking.

Yeah.

And when I look at my step counts when I'm traveling versus when I'm here, it's insane.

It is,

you know, and I'm like, "Oh, I'm getting 15, 20, 25,000 steps. No wonder I feel great."

So much better. In Monaco last week, 15,000 steps

in France. Yeah. It's like you're walking, you're walking uphill, you're walking, you're walking everywhere when you're in Europe and abroad.

Yeah.

I wanted to ask you about another part of the book. So, this is one of those viewpoints that challenged me and at first I disagreed.

You're not even going to guess what it was. Let's let's hear it.

So, stoicism.

Okay.

I've heard in your videos,

you mention it in the book. And my first instinct is to disagree because I don't believe in being stoic in life. I went out of my way and I looked up the word.

Okay.

Just to make sure that I have at least the correct definition. Sure.

And it was cool. I found some definitions that talk about that being stoic is not necessarily about being without emotion. It's not about not having emotion, but about having control of your emotion. Yeah. And not reacting to things. Okay. And after that, I fully agree with you.

What was your idea of stoicism before you looked that up? I'm just curious. Um, probably because I studied philosophy in college.

Okay.

So, it was more of the non-pleasure and noneotion old definitions of being stoic. And I had to do a little more research. And then once I read the definitions where it doesn't mean you're emotionless, it just means that you are calm

and in control. You're not reacting to things. Yes. Then I will admit that I was in agreement with that.

Okay. That's good. I mean, and that's what this book is supposed to do. And that's what I think all this stuff is supposed to do. Like, I'm not here to convince somebody.

Yeah.

You know, I'm not here to And I don't think you are either. I think we're here just to put out a different perspective. Yeah.

Put out some information and make people think.

Make America think again. That's a way to come up with that one.

Make America think again.

You know, I I mean, I've seen so many of these uh of these make America blank again things.

Mata is our new thing. Well, uh, there's a make men again.

I love that.

That's one that I saw recently. Make men again, which is probably

I fully approve that one.

Sorely needed. Yeah.

Or make women make women again.

Yeah. That's approved as well.

I mean, you know, then you're going to say, "What's a woman?"

I love those videos. I love the videos of what's a woman, what's a man, and they refuse doctors refusing to answer.

Yes. Listen, the politics needs to stay out of health. And I agree. And you like, put politics aside. It doesn't matter. I I don't even I I have friends from all sides of politics and I should

Yeah.

And I want to hear them.

Now, are there wild extreme views on both sides? Yes. Really, most of the world lives right in the middle. Yeah. Right.

Absolutely.

You know, I try to stay away from the political side on this, you know, but when we're talking about this, you know, stoicism thing and and talking about what does that mean? And I love that you were challenged by that, which is great. I was there.

My first instinct was no, I don't agree.

I love it. And so I then I made sure I understand the word and I cleared I really looked it up and looked at various definitions

and then once I fully understood your definition of it I was like yeah I fully agree with this.

Yeah. So it was something that was instilled in me at a very young age from my mother originally you know and she would tell me she said uh yeah this is when I was a very hormonal angrier teenager right you know and you know when when you're in that place and you know I didn't have a father figure you know my father left early mother and father got divorced

I had a stepfather so to speak who killed himself when I was a teenager so both father figures ripped out of my life right

so you know there was some latent anger and stuff like that there. My mom would tell me over and over again, she said, "The only way to control the world around you is by first controlling yourself."

Wow.

And she would say this over and over again. I it it would annoy me at that time,

of course.

But when I look at it, it's like, okay, control myself, control myself. How do I control myself? That really is the bottom line of stoicism.

Yeah.

Because when you look at whatever's happening in your existence

Yeah.

And you know, things happen constantly. I've I've I've lost fortunes of money. I've gained fortunes of money. I've had awful things happen. I've went through bad breakups. Yeah.

You know, I I'm divorced. So, like all these things are like the worst days of people's lives.

Utter failures.

Sure. But failure is perception, right? So, it's like, you know, I've I heard this from somebody else, but I I I took it in so much. The worst things that ever happened to me are the best things that ever happened to me. I could not be more certain that's the truth. That job that I didn't get that the promotion that led you to quit your job and start an entrepreneur journey, the thing that happened in my law enforcement career that led me down an entrepreneurship path,

the divorce from somebody that was the wrong relationship, right? But like if you look at everything like that, and this is something that I don't think I came up with it, but I say it constantly. I don't know where it came from. I said that I never lose, you know, because you said failure.

Yeah.

I don't even know what that is.

I don't lose. I can't lose. I win or I learn. If you frame everything like that and you see everything as a lesson and not

56:11Stoicism, and letting go of what you cannot control

a failure, your life will be so much better. And that's somewhat part of stoicism.

Don't let these outside things you can't control affect you. You can't do anything about it. That thing that that happened to you, let it go. Keep moving. You have so many years left of life. Yeah.

You know, so that's the way that I look at stoicism. But yeah, I mean, I'm

I'm super happy that that challenged you personally.

It did.

And it caused you to look it up.

Yeah.

You know, and if people just

because before I judge something or make it wrong, I like to make sure that I fully understand what it is that I'm disagreeing with.

And there may be portions of stomis that I don't even agree with. Yeah.

You know what I mean? I can't say that I'm a stoic expert.

Yeah.

But I know it enough. I know it enough to know that it does help me.

Yeah.

Because I think reacting out of pure emotion.

Yeah.

I think is not the right way of doing things. No.

You know what I mean? I think you need to have some logic behind it. I think you need to control yourself.

Yeah.

You know, being out of control, I think is the worst thing that we see today.

Yes.

In society,

it is

because that out of control that ends up uh you know, you're reacting out of anger, reacting out of sadness, reacting out of whatever. If people just took a breath, absorbed it, let it settle a little bit, and then you move forward with action steps, not not tirades,

of course. And I fully agree with that. Reactivity is never a good thing.

Sure.

But I also would prefer that people express their emotions than bury them. Maybe I have in the past where you're really upset, you're really sad, and you don't feel like you can communicate about it. Especially to me with men ending up with heart attacks and depression and being suicidal

and not feeling like they can express anything. I would almost prefer to see a man express anger if he needs to sometimes, not in me. I don't want him attacking me, but I'm saying expressing an uncomfortable emotion than harboring it all inside. Now, I'm a PR person. And I obviously think people should have good manners and I'm not going to be reactive in life,

but I think there's a nice balance between feeling like you can emote. It's okay to be angry. Somebody made you to feel angry at least.

And if someone died, it's okay to be sad or if you went through a breakup,

but I also learned Yeah. that I can take a walk. I don't need to dump that on people and make everybody around me upset because I felt upset.

Yeah, men are emotional. we are.

But they but they don't feel like they can express their emotions as much as women can

because they perceive it as weakness because they were told that

little boys little boys don't cry.

Sure. It's it's a

you're expected to be tough.

Here's the thing. And if you tie that into a stoicism way of thinking, you can emote. You can feel sadness. You don't need to be out of control in sadness. Yeah.

You know, yeah,

you can shed a tear. You can feel sad. Do you need to sob uncontrollably for hours and hours and days and days and weeks and weeks? Probably not. Women or men? No. Right.

And I think our parents knew that with the I'll give you something to cry about if you don't stop crying. I'll give you something to cry about. It was used on us,

you know. And I mean, you know, whether or not we turned out okay is a is a

different story. It depends on.

We're definitely stronger.

Yes. But men being emotional and men being emotional does not equate to a feminine state of emotion. That's what I think needs to be said. I think men need to realize that. And I mean, I came from a career where PTS I don't call it PTSD because I don't think it's a disorder.

Yeah.

I think it's post-traumatic stress.

I agree a million%.

Putting the disorder on there makes it some kind of diagnosis of some kind. I I've never had PTSD, but I have definitely had PTS.

Exactly.

Post-traumatic stress, 100%. I mean, you know, I've seen countless people die. Yeah. You know, I've seen some of the most horrible things in humanity

for over a decade.

Yeah.

12 years in law enforcement, I saw a lot. And I was kind of a ship magnet. So, you know, I saw a lot of stuff and I've almost been killed dozens of times.

Um, you know, I've been shot at. I've had knives pulled on me. I've had fights for my life on the ground where

I basically have to stop this guy from trying to kill me until my backup gets there,

you know? So, like that's real life stuff that I went through.

Some of the most traumatic stuff was nothing to do with me. It was with other people. Seeing a child, you know, you know what I mean? Stuff like that. It weighs on you.

Of course it does.

I didn't talk about it for a long time. And I remember uh in my late 20s uh with uh the woman that I was with and I would come home and I worked this weird shift. It was Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, and then Sunday afternoon.

Okay.

It was like my whole shift, my 40 hours in one weekend.

Yeah.

Um and I would come home and it was like 1:00 in the morning on Sunday night and I'm on a midnight shift so I stay up a little bit late, right? So I come home and I would like sit there and I watch a movie and like some weekends I'd come home and she told me this later on after we split and she's like and we're still friends. She told me this. She's like, "You'd come home and we'd have a movie on and you would stare at an empty wall and not say anything for hours."

Wow. And she's like, I didn't know what to do.

Holy smokes.

Because I was trying to process everything that I saw. And she and and my thing was I didn't want to talk to her about it because I felt like that was putting traumatic events or scenes on her.

Which was the wrong thing to do.

Yeah.

You know, I probably should have talked to her a little bit about it. I could have spared her some of the gory details.

Yes.

But um I would basically hide it because I don't want to burden her with it,

you know. And men feel this way.

Yeah. You know, men feel like uh you know, okay, well, it's my pain. I don't want to put that pain on somebody else.

Yes.

You know, but if you can't talk to your spouse or, you know, your girlfriend or a family member, talking to somebody in your career, so I I should have maybe talked to police officers.

Yes.

Friends of mine.

Yeah.

But even then, we were kind of like

men don't really talk to each other about things like that so much, right?

I think it's starting to happen more now. I think people are starting to realize that it is important. You know, some of my best friends I have very deep conversations with.

Yeah.

You know, some of my some of the people that I spend a lot of time with, we have real deep conversations and they're about pretty emotional stuff.

Love that.

It's not feminine.

No.

It's actually the most masculine thing you can do because you can't be an effective man if you're harboring all this stuff. Because look at what I I was Was I an effective partner when I was staring at the wall in silence for two hours after my shift? No. I was not an effective man. Yeah.

So, it's, you know, you have to be able to have that emotion. You have to be able to voice it and you got to feel it.

Yeah.

You know, and I think men have this idea where it's like, "Oh, well, if I cry in front for my woman, they're going to think I'm less of a man."

I don't think women even think that.

No.

If you're doing it all the time.

No, no, no. You know what I mean? No. We really don't.

You know, but I mean, if you're crying every every night to your woman and you're like a giant emotional mess, well, now that's out of control. But, you know, you have a cry once in a while.

Women are very empathetic.

Exactly. Yeah. You know, and I think that

1:03:12Trust, hard lives, and what men bring to women

I think that in reality, you know, people understand that people have hard lives.

Yeah.

You know, so if a man is going to come and trust in a woman and man, I'm having a really hard time with this, man, probably going to that woman's probably going to be really like like in love with that idea, right?

Yes. Because that's a woman's job is to be in a safe space for a man.

It's the only place where you can where a man can be soft in life

and not be punished for it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I I think I learned that best when I got when I had a daughter. You want to see men turn into giant piles of mush?

Yes.

Give that man a daughter.

Yes.

God gave me a daughter for a reason.

Of course.

Because when you see me around her, I'll be, you know, I can look quite intimidating. Yeah. When I want to and I'll look a certain way and I'll have that, we call it a Balkan smile. Yeah.

It's like, show me, show me a Croatian guy who's happy.

A Croatian guy who's sad. You know, it's real. You know, it's that Balkan look. But when I'm around my daughter, I'm like, "Oh, baby girl, let's I mean, you know, whatever we want. Let's play. Let's play with little tea sets. I will sit on the smallest chair.

Your princess clothes if you have to.

If I have to, and I guarantee that I'll come."

Yeah. You know what I mean? Um, she hasn't gotten there yet, thank goodness. Uh, I haven't had my nails painted yet, but I'm I'm not having her paint her nails yet either. She's two and a half. She's little.

It's too little,

you know? But that's real masculinity. Real masculinity has a lot of emotion in it because we're meant not only to I I believe in that provide and protect. I'm old school when I think of that stuff.

That shouldn't be old school.

I know it shouldn't be. But I I feel that women have this feminine nature about them. Men have this masculine nature about them. But men have skewed version of what masculinity is, especially now, right? But men are supposed to be providers and protectors,

right?

That doesn't just mean provide and protect in the most physical way. Yeah. We're supposed to provide emotional support. We're supposed to provide

You're the stable ones with just testosterone usually running the show.

We're supposed to be more stable. Yeah. You know, you are.

Yeah. Well, let's go back to that make men men again, right?

100%.

You know, so, you know, but there's been a societal shift

uh over how many decades, right?

And they've they've pushed women to become more masculineized. Yes.

They've pushed men to become more feminized. Correct. When it's completely flipped this whole dynamic

100%.

It's crazy. But but if you asked women, if there was a real zombie apocalypse right now and here there were a hundred women and there there was one man, which group do you think I would go in? Now, even if he's not a big man, a strong man, I'm going with a man.

Yeah. Well, and you know why is that?

Cuz I know he can protect me better than

You hope you got to be careful.

But it's more likely, right? Yeah, it is more likely.

We're we're good at different things and we're supposed to be.

Yeah. We're literally, you know, yin and yang.

We're polarities. We're polarities.

I posted a video on that yesterday on, you know, Oh, you did? Yeah. We're We're supposed to be soft cuz men get everything they need out of men.

Yeah.

Fun, action, competition, all of those amazing things. And literally, the only thing we can offer men is softness and femininity. I'm not saying we don't offer I I feel like somebody's going to blow up at the video and say, "We offer so much more." Of course, we do. But other men don't offer softness to men.

If they do, there's some other things. But

there's that's a different that's a whole other

Yeah.

We are meant to be what we are. You know, and I'm not saying we're all the same. I'm not saying all women are supposed to be exactly the same. All men are supposed to be exactly the same. There are variances.

Yeah.

But women in hormones, you are the opposite of what I am. I have super high testosterone. My progesterone is almost non-existent. My estrogen is pretty low. Your estrogen is high. Your progesterone is high. Your testosterone is on the lower end.

Y

there's a reason for that.

There's a reason for that.

You know what I mean? And the way that we behave is because of that.

Yeah.

So when you start having

So about sociodnamics, you start having men with very low testosterone.

Yeah.

What are you having? You're having basically ineffective men.

Yeah.

These men are growing up with lower and lower testosterone levels. are not actually blossoming and becoming men.

That's right.

I'm seeing these young men and I'm saying men. These are in their 20s.

Yeah.

They can't grow facial hair.

That's trippy.

That's weird.

Yeah.

I'm not saying like there there's something wrong, but there might be weird.

It is weird,

you know. So, you know, are you not developing properly? And if you are starting your journey pubescent area, prepubescence, if you're starting that journey as a man or as a woman with inadequate hormones, you're having a brain development issue as well because your brain needs hormones to develop. That's right.

It's it's it all it all coordin. I love I love that everything we're talking about always ties into hormones and men and women and I mean but that's the basis of everything. It really is.

It's real. Uh you know and our our fertility you know are you looking at the replacement rate for fertility? Have you seen this?

I'm on the opposite end. I got pregnant with two kids. I'm the I don't I know everybody's struggling with this and I have many friends with a lot of fertility issues. I

How old are they?

The my friends that are struggling with it.

Okay.

40s.

It was it was non-existent for women and men to be having well men. Yes. But women specifically 30s and 40s they were not really having kids at that point.

Yeah.

They were having them in their early 20s.

Early which is when I was early 20s and then 30 you I had another one and today

I I still don't think I would have fertility issues. I don't know why. Maybe I made that up. But but also at my age don't want to have kids.

Of course. Yeah, I I get it. But you talk about the the issues with hormones and everything that's destroying our hormones.

Yeah,

there are countries now. Poland is one.

Yeah.

Uh I think I just heard it from Russia as well. And I know that in Asian there's a couple Asian culture countries. I don't know which ones they are. They're talking about the replacement rate of their population. There's only like three countries like or three general areas in the world that are birthing at a replacement rate.

Wow.

Every other place they're saying that humanity, if we don't like start actually like making more babies, humanity is going to decrease in population by 50% in the next 150 years.

Wow.

Bill Gates will be very happy to hear this.

Is it on purpose?

Of course it's on purpose.

Shall I get my tin foil hat?

Of course it's Go grab it. Shall I shall I Yeah. Shall I get the foil hat, put this on?

Yeah.

Why do they not want us to have babies? You know, why are they putting, you know, is this all part of a plan?

Yeah. 100%.

You don't do

There is suppression on this planet.

Sure.

And there are top suppressive beings causing that, right? At the very top. Sure. And I doubt that there is anybody out there who still thinks that's a conspiracy theory.

Yeah. I mean, I'm I I get surprised every day,

okay,

at some of the people that still call me a

1:10:12Being called a conspiracy theorist

conspiracy theorist. I'm like, listen.

I said, either I'm a conspiracy theorist or I'm noamist, cuz all my conspiracies are coming true. They're all, you know what I mean? All of them.

Yeah. They're It's It's pretty scary. But I still have people that will argue with me. I have nutritionists, college educated, master's degrees in nutrition.

Yeah.

That will say are good for you.

Well, are you crazy?

I've heard I've heard a little bit, even though I'm not on that algorithm.

Sure. But once in a while I will get stuff like that and I'm like, "Wow, I know I won't even use olive oil today."

Well, most olive oil.

And I definitely won't. Yeah, I'm I'm not even getting into that rabbit hole. I have researched the top olive oils. I definitely am not cooking with it. It's butter, ghee, tallow, maybe coconut oil, and that's the limit of what I'm using in my food.

Yeah. So, I mean, olive oil is not really supposed to be cooked with anyway. It's supposed to be a finisher. Yeah.

Really? You know, it has a low smoke point. So, it's, you know, talking food.

Yeah. But even healthy people do cook with it. And so,

well, I mean, most of the olive oil that you have out in the public right now that is for consumption. So, there's not enough

All right, let me just let me just say this.

Yeah.

There's not enough olive trees and olives in the world to supply the world with the amount of olive oil you see on shelves right now.

Yeah.

It's not real.

Yeah.

Half of it is mixed, half of it is GMO, half of it is not even real olives.

Yep. But a lot of people actually don't know that.

It it it kills me.

Yeah, me too.

When you taste real olive oil, it different.

It is.

I have three bottles of Croatian olive oil at my house right now.

Bought when I was in Croatia. I'll bring you one back.

I would like one.

So, uh there is a company that's actually exporting them now.

Oh, nice.

Um but you can't get them at a grocery store.

Yeah, of course. There's no trade agreement. No.

So, uh small farms that are making olive oil, if you get it from the farm,

I would say you might be able to trust it.

Yeah.

If you're not,

forget it. I don't know what you're eating.

I just went farm shopping this weekend. Get eggs to get some meat. It was great.

Eggs are a problem, too. Yeah. You know, see the high uh they I I saw something. I think it was Costco, which I don't shop at Costco, but I several friends do. Um you

a few But just a few. Tell them. Sorry.

Just a few. Just a few things.

Okay. I'm not I'm not I'm not totally hating on Costco. They have

I get my A2 yogurt there. Okay.

Religiously. That's one. I'm carnivore. I'm very limited and they don't have amazing organic any meats, but I'll get some cheeses there.

Not a big fan of their meats for the most part. Grass finished um

is not there, but I get some cheeses. I get Yeah.

Yeah. They say it is not.

Yeah. No, no, no, no. It's definitely not.

So, the eggs uh they were saying because of what the chickens are fed.

Yeah.

So, majority of your eggs out in the out in the wild, right? I'm talking about the wild being grocery stores. They are fed corn, soy, and largely GMO feeds. 100%

that are riddled with seed oils.

Yeah.

So the I think the stat was four eggs. Yeah.

Okay. So me eating nine is a big difference but a lot.

I'm pushing it at four. I'm like dying.

But if you eat four of these eggs that are what is it? High PF PFOAs. Is that Am I saying that right? I think it's PFOAs, which is basically the seed oil stuff.

Yeah.

So you eating four eggs, you may as well drink a glass full of seed oils.

Nice.

I read this. I'm like,

I'm very glad I just got that many eggs at a farm in Tampa. Yeah.

Well, but you have to check the farm.

Yeah. What are they feeding? Because a lot of these a lot of these local farms,

they're supposedly not feeding any of that.

If you ask them, they'll tell you. You know what I mean?

We did. Yeah.

Uh so I found I found one egg brand that I can find in a grocery store.

Cuz even called uh Organics, N I CS. So the guy's name is Nick, I assume. But it's Organics. Uh and it says on there, no corn, no soy, no GMO. Basically freerange chickens.

That's awesome. So, as soon as I saw what they're fed, I'm like, "Okay, perfect."

You're like, "A proved." You know, it's not that easy being crunchy at this level.

No, it's No, that

every year I get crunchier and crunchier, and it's not the easy. Like,

that's a new term, by the way. I just learned

crunchy. I only I learned it last year. Somebody called me that, and I was like, "What is crunchy?" And as soon as I looked it up, I was like, "This is me." Yeah.

This is literally my entire life.

My daughter's mother actually used the term about a year ago. She's like, "Yeah, I was called a crunchy mom." I said, "What the hell is a crunchy mom?"

It's a compliment.

I guess it is. in the highest form.

So, you know, yeah, being being this level of crunchy. I mean, I'm big on water. I'm big on, you know, so I only drink out of my house water. Right now, I have a Fiji right here, which is this is not good water.

They're not good. I was going to tell you, they're not good water.

This is not good water, but it's one of the lower in microplastics.

Yeah.

It's not great water,

but it's lower in microplastics. And you know, that's I can do what I can do.

I'm out and about, too. I have a bottle in my car. I have my Voss that I keep refilling. It's There's

And I used to think the glass bottles were better.

Yeah,

they're not.

Oh,

what do you do at home? Reverse osmosis.

Yeah, I have a whole house system and I have a reverse osmosis under my sink. Yeah.

The biggest issue with reverse osmosis water obviously is the remmineralization. Yeah, there is a remmineralizer in it, but it doesn't taste quite

I don't care about that because distilled water is the best. I put electrolytes and salt. I mineralize my water. So I don't care if you take all the bad things and the good things out of it. Go ahead.

I prefer to drink distilled water. I used to be spring. Now I'm distilled reverse osmosis. Obviously best, but when I'm out and about distilled

was good.

Yeah. I have electrolytes in my purse. Salt at all times.

So I'll do my reverse osmosis and I have you ever seen the live water things that uh spin the water?

Yeah.

So I have one of those. So I'll take the reverse osmosis. I'll put it in that craft.

Yeah.

I'll put it on the spinner. It'll spin it, turn it into quote unquote live water. Yeah.

We're getting super crunchy. Yeah, we are very we're giving it away.

You know, it'll be live water now and then I'll add salt to that water.

That's awesome.

And it tastes amazing.

Yeah.

And it's, you know,

make sure it's just pink moon salt that you add to the

So, I have some now. Thank go Thank goodness. Yeah. So, I can't wait to have your salt by the way cuz I've been using like mold salt and stuff like that, which is okay.

I tell people, look, yes, I have my own salt company and it's a premium salt, but just don't have mineral just don't have the table salt.

It has anti-caking agents in it. They strip it of all its mineral content. They bleach it. Just don't have that salt. If you're having Even if you're having the pink salt from China. Yeah.

Yes. It has heavy metals. It's still going to be better than the table salt.

Yes.

And if you're dying, then even have table salt. Just don't drink water.

Sure. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, there's levels to it.

There's levels.

And I tell everybody, you know, cuz I would make these videos out there, my social media, anybody's consume my social media content, they're like, "Okay, Tommo, everything is going to kill me. What do I do? You know what I mean? Every day you tell me a new thing that's going to kill me. Take it one step at a time.

That's right.

Take it one step at a time. Do the basics, you know? And I'm not even saying like, you know, hormone therapy and stuff like that. No, no. We're talking about basics. Basics. Go to sleep at night.

Exercise,

right? Exercise. Yeah. And just try to eat whole foods.

That's right.

So, if you stay away from processed foods and you're walking a lot and you're exercising, you're working out and you sleep, people really underestimate

1:17:12Sleep, and the question no doctor asked her

the sleep thing.

They really do. When I was sick as hell, I wasn't sleeping for months. And I'm like, how did the doctors not think I'm going to die? Like, I'm in and out of hospitals. Not does Nobody here cares about the fact I'm not sleeping.

It's the worst thing that you

They don't even ask you.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. They don't care. They don't They don't

Not one doctor has ever asked me, "How much are you sleeping when I was at my sickest?"

Your body recovers when you sleep.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

I mean, I was sleeping last night uh next to a 2-year-old, two and a half-year-old. So, you know, in between her kicking me in the face when she's moving around as a two and a half year olds do in bed.

And I'm I'll excited to have somebody uh try to comment on this if this ends up going on the internet about co-sleeping parents.

I did that.

So, I used to think it was bad. I've been led to believe it's quite good up until a certain age. Yeah. Now, you don't want to cosleep with your kid until they're

I did both.

Yeah. Okay.

With the first one, I did it and I never slept.

Yes.

And I nursed until past two.

Well, so difference between men and women.

Yeah. So,

it was easier for nursing.

So, baby babies can smell milk, though.

Yeah.

So, I just talked to my daughter's mother this morning. Um, she picked her up in my house before I came over here and she was like, "How did you get her to sleep 10 and 1/2 hours last night?" Cuz that's how long my daughter slept.

That is so

She only woke up once, I think, from a dream. Yeah.

Came and cuddled my chest

and then went back to sleep and she rolled off. But she's like, "What are you doing?" I said, "Well, you know, it's obviously the house is very peaceful. It's very cold and it's very dark." She said, "Well, she wakes up crying and wants milk." I said, "That's because she can smell your boobs, man.

She can smell."

I never thought about that.

So, when they talk about co-sleeping parents, this is, you know, we're talking about like the European model. Like, in Europe, it's normal for parents to sleep with their kids

completely

for a couple years. Completely.

And every every mom on the planet does the same thing, by the way. So, true.

You know, letting kids cry it out method. They just made that cry it out.

I'm super against it. I have a very dear friend that just did that with her oldest.

It caused a lot of trauma.

Brutal.

It caused a lot of trauma to children. crying for a reason.

Correct.

Yeah.

But when they say to co-sleep, you know, you have mom and dad, let's say, so mom's on the right leg, dad's on the left. Yeah.

And sometimes babies will be in the middle.

Yeah.

Well, they'll wake up a lot cuz they're looking for milk cuz they can smell it.

I never thought about that.

If you put them on dad's side,

then they don't wake up.

It's so interesting because my oldest I nursed until past two and she never not wanted to sleep with us.

Sure.

She was always on my boob. Then the youngest didn't want to nurse and her nose was stuffy and she did not want to nurse and by a few months I was like this kid literally I'm forcing her doesn't want to nurse so I stopped and that one always wanted to sleep in her own bed and she slept so good.

Interesting.

I never realized it's cuz they smell your milk too. Yeah, they can smell it, you know, and yeah, that's they they say if you are going to cos sleep with your child, you know, which at certain time when you shouldn't do it as well, at least not in the same bed

because, you know, and uh

it's harder when you have a mom and a dad. When you're a single parent and they sleep with you, but because then it takes away from the intimacy of the man and the woman.

Correct. But if they're in if they're in the bed with you when they're little little, you can like accidentally suffocate the baby cuz they can't move.

Yeah.

You know, they won't push. You

were going to say something else.

No. No. I mean like

no we're not going to go there but that happens a lot. Dr. Clark the medical director here you use ER

where kids get suffocated. Holy smokes.

He's like not like once or twice dozens. Wow. Dozens.

Wow.

So you know that's something that's very scary which they say put a basset right next to the bed. You know just put them right next. Exactly. Makes it way easier

basically. And you can even put a mini bed that's almost attached to your bed

where they can almost roll in there but you won't roll on top of them.

Yeah.

At two if I roll on my dog she's going to punch me in the back of that.

That's right. She's hopefully she'll do. You're a little big, but hopefully

I'm a little big. Yeah. You know, but I'm also uh I'm a very uh

intuitive aware.

Well, no. No. When I sleep. Yeah.

So, I'm one of those people that when I go to sleep, I hit the pillow, 45 seconds, I'm done. I don't sit there.

All women are hating you right now. Oh, I know. All women are.

Men, too. I think you know, but it's like And they're like, "How do you do that?" I'm like, "Well, I'm tired."

Yeah.

I don't stop all day.

Yeah.

So, when I lay down, I'll go and I won't move.

That is so good. So, I I'll lay back and I sleep on my back and I'll put my hands. It looks like I'm in a coffin. It's like I don't move.

I don't have that superpower. I wish as a woman I'm crawled up in the little fetal position and I I toss and turn, go to the restroom, like I wish I feel like that's a superpower.

It's maybe one of the lucky ones that can do that, you know? Uh it wasn't always like that. I mean, I went almost like six, seven months on a PTS issue that I had and I actually think I didn't sleep for 6 months.

Wow.

Yeah. cuz I had super bad insomnia. So, I didn't know if I was asleep or awake. I felt like I was losing my mind.

Wow. Was this also due to psychiatric medication?

No, I was never I never took any psychiatric medication. My Yeah, I know. My uh my medication at that time was a bottle to a bottle and a half of whiskey a night. That's what Yeah, it was not good.

Awful. Yeah, that's brutal.

It was not good. Uh you know,

I don't even drink now. Um I'm not against it. Uh like I

I am, but I don't tell people what to do. I haven't touched alcohol in over 3 years and even before then I wasn't a drinker. I don't think it's a good idea to take something that poisons every cell in your body.

Yes.

But I don't care what you do. I'm just telling you I don't think it's a good idea.

It's It's not healthy for you. Yeah.

And there's no way anybody can tell me that it's healthy for you. It It's

There is no study except what they made up in the '9s with the French. Yeah. The French and they're Yeah. They're the healthy. Yeah. They don't have heart attacks.

Red wine is great for you. It's like Okay. Yeah, alcohol is a poison. That's why you get drunk. Um, it literally reres havoc on your system and your body and your liver and everything.

Yeah.

Um, now I say that I'm not wholly against drinking because let's say, and this happened uh not so long ago. Um, I met a person who was quite a famous drinker in his circles. Are you familiar with Andrew and Tristan Tate?

Very much so.

Okay. Tristan,

I'm familiar with everybody on social media and their PR and ways that their PR can be fixed. I was in Dubai and I was on a private island with Tristan Tate.

Yeah.

I wasn't drinking at the time, but Tristan was like, "We're going to drink." And I'm sitting here, I'm like, "Yeah, I'm going to drink with Tristan Tate." Cuz he's a famous drinker.

Yeah.

And I went from drinking nothing for months and months and months to drinking probably 30 plus drinks in one night with him.

No,

I was blasted.

That's crazy.

I can drink a lot. Croatian, it's, you know, it's like we're we're almost like we're probably a 008 blood alcohol just naturally, by the way.

Yeah. So, you know, I drank with him and I like turn into, oh, I'm drinking every night. I didn't drink again for months.

Good.

But if there's like a occasion if Joe Rogan invites me to his podcast and he wants to drink whiskey, I'm drinking whiskey with Joe Rogan. I'm not that against it. You know what I mean?

So, it's kind of like that.

I do look I do get that like I I'm not really a drinker. And three years ago when I was in Europe with my ex-husband in Greece, we'd have a drink or somewhere else. It puts me to sleep. Sure. Because I don't drink. So, but it's not that I'm against everything. Overall, I'm against it. Yeah.

But I'll give you an example. When I was having

1:24:13What he would and would not take in an emergency

chest pain and I was worried and I needed to go to the ER and lots of bad things, I chewed up four baby aspirins.

Do I take aspirin? No. Do I take Tylenol? I'm against it. I'm completely against it. But if it was like, is that a heart attack? Left chest, like super painful, I would rather just chew the four baby aspirin. So I'm I say I'm against things and I am but there are exception and I eat very well but is it 100% of the time it's probably 99 you know especially on carnivore but it's a discipline that you build over time to not drink to not smoke to eat healthy to exercise regularly I don't always feel like it

but I've been building this muscle of being having a healthy lifestyle for years now years and years

and it does get easier because

you wouldn't think to all of a sudden be a fat slob. No offense, or an unhealthy eater after you've been been disciplined in an area for a long time.

I'll be offensive about it on the fat slob part if you want me to.

Yeah, go ahead.

For for both of us, for all of us. Yeah. No, so the overweight thing to me, what do you think about body positivity?

So here, look, here's here's the thing. I was always relatively thin and then at times when I got fatter, right? When I was hospitalized in 2024, I lost 15 pounds. And I remembered my ex-husband, who's a doctor, telling me doctors are most alarmed when you lose a lot of weight very fast. They're worried it could be cancer, some terminal disease. So, I was very ill and I was not doing well and I was like, I really need to fix my body. And I put on 15 pounds.

Okay.

And that was last year. Did I love being 15? I actually felt fat, but I fixed my immune system to such a degree. Raised my cholesterol. Everything was perfect. Triglycerides, hemoglobin A1C,

right?

Raised my cholesterol, my LDL to 275.

Okay,

with no unhealthy markers of inflammation whatsoever. Okay, that was last year.

And then I lost most of the weight. I have 10 lbs to go back to my normal, but I lost about 10 pounds. Okay.

And I for myself, look, I work in PR, so I believe image is important.

I want to feel good about myself. So even in my age, I'm not going to use the fact that I'm older or my I had kids as an excuse because whether I'm in a relationship or not, I have to look in the mirror. And even, you know, my divorce was three years ago.

I didn't start dating since then, but I still shaved my legs.

Sure. even in the winter. Even I just use that as a funny example, but I a real example.

I care for myself whether there's a man involved in the picture or not or whether or not people are watching me or not.

I like to look good good and know that I'm healthy. But public relations and your image is important. People that are slobs don't get taken as seriously.

Well, aren't we all in PR constantly anyway?

Not everyone. maybe our professions

being podcasters,

not everybody knows they are.

Yeah. Well, and that's that's kind of my point when I talk about like, you know, that body positivity thing, you know, and you were like, "No offense on the fat slobs." I I admit offensively. If you're a fat slob, I am offensively telling you that you need to stop being a fat slob. Not not because I'm looking at you and I'm disgusted,

but just for self-confidence, happiness, all of that.

Or just health

health,

you know. So when I look at it, you know, and and your 15 pound story, you know, was it 15 pounds of good weight or was it 15 pounds of sloppy, you know, just fat?

No, I was eating very healthy. I just didn't care about weight. I needed to get healthy.

Sure. So, you know, when we talk about weight, I'm right now like 232, 233 pounds. I'm 6' 3. You want to know what my BMI says?

What is it?

Morbidly obese.

Wow.

I'm supposed to be 186 pounds according to BMI.

Wow.

Because they don't account for muscle mass.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's it's not about necessarily that BMI score. It's about your body fat.

Yeah.

And your muscle mass.

Yeah.

There is studies now that show the more muscle mass you have, the longer you will live.

Yeah.

Now, obviously, we're not talking about the steroid monsters that are taking crazy amount of drugs, stuff like that, end up with a heart attack.

We're talking about Yeah. We're talking about normal people.

We're talking about people that are normal, healthy people that are doing things the right way, eating well, exercising. The more muscle you have, the lower your mortality rate is.

Yeah.

The more body fat you have, more atapost tissue.

Yeah.

You know, the higher your mortality rate is. Now, one of the major comorbidities for, you know, people that were getting these viruses and stuff in that 2000 phase.

The few friends that I had that died during CO were older men that were morbidly obese.

Sure. That's that's what happens. So there was two to three co-orbidities for the people that were dying. They had extremely overweight or obese. They had uh diabetic or pre-diabetic. Yeah.

And they had heart issues, cholesterol, blood pressure, whatever. Yeah.

Well, all those things correct when you're in a leaner form. So, you know, when I see this body positivity movement, it's real. It's just to make you feel better. So, what I tell people is it's going to sound bad. Shame yourself. I'm not going to body shame you. I don't care. It's your life. if this is how you want to live it, okay, I don't have to interact with you if I don't want to or, you know, I'm not gonna, you know, but when I see

somebody who is obese and they're like, "No, I'm big and I'm beautiful or I I how fat I am and I just actually say this stuff.

I see it.

It's on social media, right?

See it all the time."

So, when you see this stuff, it's like, you're lying. Number one, you're lying. I know you're not happy with the way you look. I know you look yourself in the mirror. There's no possible way. You're you're you're

But some people, Tom, are delusional,

and that's fine. But I don't need to go with a delusion. Understood. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And the rest of society shouldn't.

Yeah.

The rest of society should tell them, "Hey, no, listen. Like, let's let's get you let's get you help."

Yeah.

And you want to know what the craziest thing is?

Who was it? Lizo and Oprah.

Yeah.

All these people, what happened over the last couple years? They all lost a whole bunch of weight.

Did you notice

Ozmpic? Anybody I see that all of a sudden lost a lot of weight, I think Ozmpic, which I would rather you stay fat than take Ompic. I have a mixed approach.

Okay.

So,

this is one of my strong opinions.

Yeah. So, Ompic specifically, it's old. Okay. It's an old drug. It's been around for a very long time. It was a diabetic drug. They just figured out that it could do some weight loss stuff. Most diabetic drugs do. Yeah.

Right. It can do some benefits. However, Ozmpic itself, GLP1s. Okay. So, we're talking about the drug is called semiglutide. That's what ompic is. GLP-1 drugs are quite harsh at the doses that people were taking. Y

also, you know, for somebody who is morbidly obese, you going on Ompic could actually save your life. It could because you being obese is probably way worse for you than the side effects of Ozmpic was.

Yeah. Correct.

If you take it properly.

1:31:14GLP-1 drugs, and where the newer versions differ

Yeah.

Key word here.

Yeah.

Taking it properly.

Yeah.

Now that has been revamped and now there is dual agonist GLP-1 drugs and triple agonist GLP-1 drugs. Tzepide is the next stage of it. It's a two-part acting. GLP1 and GIP. Okay. What is that doing now? Well, it's a little bit less harsh in the system. You have a little bit uh better retention of muscle mass. It's not so harsh on the gut. Blah blah blah. All right. Now, there's a triple agonist one is coming out. It's called retatride. It's already out, but big pharma hasn't had it out yet. Yeah. Right.

Um this one fixed a lot of the problems that was happening in the earlier GLP1 drugs. You're able to preserve muscle mass and so on.

People are like, "Oh, it's a cheat code. It's, you know, all this stuff." People are misusing it. Yeah.

Which is a major problem with these drugs. Just like hormones.

Yeah. Like everything.

It's like everything. It's misuse. Who should be taking these drugs?

If you like, I want to lose 5 pounds for summer. Please, for the love of God,

don't do it. Yeah.

You don't need it.

Yeah.

Do a little more cardio, change diet.

Ended up with osteoporosis using it.

Well, and why?

She used it excessively,

but

it was not fat to begin with. Yeah. She misused it.

Here, here's the issue. They're misusing it. But they're not only misusing it, they're not doing the lifestyle with it.

Yeah.

So, one of the major problems with GLP-1 type drugs, we're talking about semiglutide, tepatide, reatride. Um, and anything else that comes out tied, right? All these drugs are like that. So, any of those drugs, the biggest problem that people are having like, oh, I'm I'm stomach paralysis, right? Side effect.

Blind blindness side effect. Okay. Um, osteoporosis side effect. Do you want to know what the side effects are from? They're not from the drug. This is what people aren't. They're not putting this together. It's from the lack of eating.

They are literally malnourishing themselves to the point the blind thing.

Yeah.

People are losing their eyesight.

It's because they were literally eating less than 500 calories a day for extended periods of time. Well, what's one of the things your body is going to stop using?

Wow.

That's what happens. Your body wants to keep itself alive. It has a self-preservation mechanism.

You stop eating food, your body thinks you're dying.

Yeah. No kidding. It's like, come on, guys. This put put the two together, please. You know what I mean?

Completely.

The drug was not actually the problem. Now, does it have harsh tendencies? It does.

Yeah.

Misuse is a problem. Do you have to live a certain lifestyle if you take something like that? Yes. You have to eat adequate amounts of protein. You have to Oh, I'm just not hungry. Oh, boohoo. Let me tell you how I felt bodybuilding. Okay. When I used to get big for bodybuilding, I used to have to force feed myself up to 9,000 calories a day. That's unbelievable.

Because I'm built

nine get 1,000. Yeah. No, I can't.

9,000 was my peak at eating.

Wow.

265 lbs. I was force-feeding myself. Literally like almost gagging eating so much food,

right?

Yeah.

And then my maintenance calories are like 3,800 4,000.

Wow. That's maintenance calories.

That's a lot. But I'm I'm a big active guy, you know. Um

so, you know, if I were to tell somebody, hey, these GLP1 drugs might be for you. Well, you need to be overweight. Look, you have you have to have some weight to lose. I will say that the benefits outweigh outweigh the issues with the drug

on someone obese.

Correct.

I can see that. Correct. Really like morbidly obese for sure.

Well, obese is really 20 pounds uh overweight of of that.

It's though, you know, and then you have to look at where is that weight sitting. Yeah.

If it's subcutaneous fat, you lose that pretty easy.

Yeah.

If it's that atapost tissues around your organs.

Yeah.

And now that's the cool thing about the drug. you will actually lose that fat.

So that's where I like it.

Yeah.

But again, I don't like any drug.

Yeah.

I like the potential benefits with proper use.

The lesser of two evils.

Well, sure. If you being if if if your choice is to be morbidly obese or to go on one of these GLP1 drugs for a limited amount of time.

Yeah.

Not forever. This is not a forever thing, guys.

Definitely not. Yeah.

This is something that you are supposed to use. Drop that body fat and then from there lifestyle.

I like that.

Don't go back into the the eating boxes of Oreos, guys. You know, like you have to develop the lifestyle and then you have to live this lifestyle after that drug

and it's not easy for a lot of people.

It's not supposed to be.

This was life supposed to be easy?

No. But I noticed that it's just a very steep gradient for your average bear. And even, you know, since I became carnivore, I've had so many people comment on posts or ask me, "Isn't that extreme? And how do you stay so disciplined?" And I guess my only answer to that is that

I don't want a mediocre life.

Beautiful.

Like, I don't want the average life that somebody else is okay with. I want to look great. I want to feel great. I want to make lots of money.

I want to be able to influence in a good direction in the world and create good effects. And that involves not doing average things in life.

So I've had the other life. I was an abused wife. I was a single mom my whole life.

I've had the situations of not having money and having two kids and not being able to take care of myself as a woman. And if I have an opportunity now at this stage in my life, I've raised the kids. I've done my share. I can now work on Marie, my dreams, my goals. Even if it's at a later age,

I don't want a mediocre life. So, it's not a punishment for me to eat a steak and some cheese and butter for dinner. That's not a punishment. Like, I'm nourishing a body that was already sick. So, when people ask me, "Well, isn't it harsh? Isn't it extreme?" I'm like, "No, it's extreme to eat that cereal you're eating right now." Meeting a steak is not extreme.

It's ease, right? People people like ease. Humans do.

Yeah.

Um, you know, we we things to be easy. We like things to be fast.

Yeah.

I mean, how do pe how do I still see full lines around the building at McDonald's?

Yeah.

Or Chick-fil-A

with that video you did about the membership. I never heard of that. That's

I don't know if that's even true. If it is, it's funny.

Yeah. I don't know. I've been eating there since I was like 20, so I don't even know. Yeah. You know, people started talking about Chick-fil-A recently. I I think I made the video calling out Chick-fil-A almost 3 years ago now.

Had like 60 70 ingredients in their darn little chicken.

My my Chick-fil-A video got so much hatred. Like people were calling me anti-Christian.

Yeah.

For calling out Chick-fil-A. I'm like this is God's chicken. I'm like this is owned by a giant cong conglomerate that had just feeding you crappy food. They just happen to be closed on Sunday.

They happen to be closed on Sundays. What the hell's wrong with you?

Exactly. And that chicken tastes good. Their food tastes good. I've tasted it, but it's just awful.

Fast food tastes good on purpose.

It's addictive.

Yeah. As Anthony Chaffy says, cocaine will make you feel good.

You know what's more addictive than cocaine?

Sugar. You're talking to the ex sugar holic. There was no bigger sugar holic than me. Yeah.

1:38:14Sugar, anemia, and eating carnivore

Ever in this lifetime. I used to just eat candy.

And if I was hypoglycemic, so it would make me feel good. I was always low on iron and anemic. So, a little bit of sugar gave me a little bit of energy.

Give you a boost.

Yeah. But if someone like me can be carnivore and sugarf free and never have had diabetes, I feel like anyone can do it. Cuz Tommo, I did cocaine. I've done ecstasy. In college, nothing was as bad as sugar.

Nothing. Sugar was the hardest. It was my last thing that was hard to quit.

They they the study the cocaine sugar comparison. Yeah. The study actually showed that biologically sugar was more addicted than co to people. It's crazy.

Yeah.

You know, but again, you know, you're talking when people say that what you're doing is extreme. It can be perceived as so. Right.

I thought it was extreme before I got on it. I was whole foods.

Sure.

So, I ate a little bit of carbs, but I was still eating very healthy. And I just thought, "Wow, it's interesting. It sounds very extreme." And I had a lot of misconceptions that you need fiber, that you need to eat carbs after you work out. I it just I'm friends with Anthony Chaffy. So I get all the insider information.

Yeah.

I know it's not extreme now.

Yeah.

I like people think you need fiber, you don't go to the restroom. If you're eating highfat, you're going to the restroom. Yeah.

So I've had many things dispelled on this diet. But look to why I'm staying on it. Not because I'm losing weight. It's literally it's really not vain.

Just for health.

And I can tell you I've been bloated my entire life. And for the first time in my life, I've not been bloated one time.

That's amazing.

It doesn't mean I have a flat stomach. It doesn't mean I've lost all the weight that I'm going to lose and be in the perfect shape that I want to be in.

But that I haven't had one stomach ache or one bloating in the month and whatever that I've been is a testament

to that carbs were and sugar were creating that for my body.

Listen, and you know, I'm I'm a big I'm a big believer in there is no perfect diet. So, I eat more of a whole food diet.

Yeah.

Right now, I've tried carnivore.

Yeah.

Now, this is going to sound crazy. I even tried vegan. Just to say I tried it.

I was vegan for years. I was sick as [ __ ]

Okay. Of course,

in my 20s, I was so sick on it.

Here's my point. I felt awful on vegan diet.

Same.

I felt

and vegetarian. I didn't feel great on either.

I felt pretty bad on carnivore, too.

You did?

Yeah. So, it didn't work for me. Yeah. Right. And I tried it for enough time to see if it was going to work. I'm definitely going to talk to you about that behind the scenes.

Of course. Listen, I'm all about it. I think that diets are as individual as people.

They are 100%.

You know, what's going to work for me?

Yeah.

Is not going to work for somebody else. You know what I mean?

I eat a crazy amount of food.

Yeah.

Right. So, I'm telling you, you know, my maintenance is probably double what most people's maintenance calories.

Yeah. When I was really trying to put on size and muscle and trying to put on weight, if I tell somebody I'm eating 8,000 or 9,000 calories a day, they're like, "What?"

Like, "How is that even possible?" My

That's really crazy. It was disgusting.

That really is. Yeah.

If you If you ask some big body,000, I would feel like I'm going to Yeah. explode.

I used to eat 3,000 calorie cheat meals.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow. A cheat meal. I can't even imagine.

I could still do that now if I wanted to. It's the same.

But you're a big bodybuilder. It's a different story.

Sure. You know, but I mean, no diet is perfect for everybody. It's about what's good for you. Yeah.

I have friends, and I I don't agree with it, but I have friends who thrive on a vegan diet,

and I don't know if they'll thrive for long, but right now they are. And I'm like, and it corrected some health issues for them. I'm like, that's great. That's awesome. But they're not eating the vegan diet that like not they're not eating like the slop.

Yeah.

They're not eating like uh what is it? Beyond burgers.

Oh gosh.

Horrible. Can't even imagine.

Horrible. They're eating actually like a real vegan diet with like whole green leaves, you know,

and they fix a lot of their health issues. And I tell them, I said, "I'm super happy for you."

Yeah.

I said, "Be prepared to start reintroducing certain foods." I said, "Even if it's just going vegan to vegetarian, at least vegetarians,

vegetarians, at least eggs, milk, eggs, milk, cheese,

and eggs are the best source of protein on the planet."

100%. There's not a day I don't need.

Good eggs.

Eggs. Thank you.

Yeah. Not the seed oil filled eggs. Good eggs. Um, you know, so be prepared to switch that. And, you know, I see a lot of people that have done carnivore for a long time.

Yeah.

That seems to be something a lot of people can sustain.

Some the double iron man, what's it called that one? That the the guy the carnivore.

Yeah. And it works for them.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, I don't care what anyone does. Yeah.

I care what I do and I care to share successful natural remedies that I have found over the years. That's my life purpose to promote those. what you do with your life, who you sleep with, what you drink, how you sleep. I It doesn't my life. I want people to be healthy and happy.

Yeah.

I can put things out there, people like you, that promote good things, but beyond that, I'm not into the business of making anybody do. And I'm not into shaming people either.

Yeah. I try not to shame fat people, but unfortunately, I I somewhat do.

But I'll tell you why I don't. I'll tell you why I don't. And I know you're a guy and you're going to have a different flow than me on this, but but I'll just tell you this. People are having a very hard time in life course and financially people are being sexually abused, physically abused and if even if not right now in present time they've had a lot of abuse right as children. People were raped all sorts of horrific things endless people being trafficked. They're depressed. They're stuck on psych drugs and don't have a way to get off of them.

So there are just people have lost their children.

Mhm. Like I I can't imagine losing a child, right? Forget divorces and someone cheated on them. So

people don't necessarily have the resources or the data out there to get themselves out of the mud.

Sure.

And I could have been that person. I should have been in a psych ward. I should have been, I don't know, in jail or dead. Like I had a horrible life

because I found my way out. I feel very lucky. But not everybody's lucky.

Yeah. And so I see sometimes people that are overweight or suffering and I can tell you they need a lot of love. They need a lot of education

and they need to get out of the environment they're in.

And you had a good mom.

So you're very lucky.

Yeah.

You you come from a strong family. Oh yeah.

That raised you with the right morals and the right health and things like that. But for everybody else out there who hasn't,

my heart goes out to them.

Sure.

But to a degree.

Yeah. because I also was abused as a child and as a married woman and I've had the hardest life and I dug myself out of it. didn't happen overnight. First to get out of the crazy relationship

and then I had to stop being afraid someone else is going to kill me. And then I had to figure out how do I make over 200,000 a year with two little kids. That was hard.

But I did it in baby steps.

And yes, I'm carnivore today, but I wasn't last year. And I wasn't well in 2024.

And so and a massive $6.5 million bankruptcy

1:45:16Wanting it for yourself

when I was 30. Mhm.

So, it's been a I think you have to want it for yourself.

Yeah.

To have a great life and not everybody does.

I love that. I mean, you know, when I talk about that fat shaming thing where I have a different approach.

I don't think you mean it. I think you want everybody to have a happy life.

Correct. When I say I don't I don't like I'm not really tolerant of it.

Yeah.

It's because I know they can change it.

Yeah. You know, it's because really deep down I know that if they just get the information

Yeah.

and they make a different choice

Yes.

it's 100% correctable.

Yeah.

So, you know, when when I some was like, "Oh, well, you know, don't shame." Like, I want to shame them so they can change for the better.

Yeah.

I I you know, and it's not like I'm going to go there and just be like, "Aha, you're fat." No, it's like, "Hey, let me help you, man."

Yeah.

Let me help you.

You can do it. It's a lot of work, but you can do it.

But people really need to get out of that idea and the mindset that they're stuck. Yeah. Because you're not

your own barriers. And I always, you know, I talk about in my videos, even when I was in an abusive relationship and I was physically and all that, mentally abused, I chose to marry him. Yeah.

I was young and dumb, but you can't use that as an excuse, right? You're still going to pay for whatever decisions you made. But I'll tell you, there was a good guy in college. It was a good guy and he really liked me. He was super cute. He was he was handsome and I think he had like a 60 I don't know what Corvette like a really old Corvette that he fixed up and it was perfect and he fixed up the engine and he was a

good guy not doing drugs in college and he really liked me and I tried dating him and the one time he kissed me it repulsed me and and so I look back and I can say well because I was an abused child then I carried that pattern and then I married an abused husband. No, I chose that bad guy over a good guy. Other people didn't. There are some people that chose the good guy and had a good life. I chose to make mistakes and learned

hard lessons.

But that was me.

That's that's life.

The decisions we make. Some people make good decisions, some make bad, and at different times in your life you make. But I don't have anyone to blame anything I've ever done on.

Yeah.

And it empowers me.

Well, you you learned. You're you're only going to win and learn.

Yeah. If you you don't unless you want to dwell on it, just learn a lesson.

It's true.

Yeah.

Do you have any regrets in life?

Not one.

Really?

I know.

Wow. Okay. I thought about this fast answer.

Yeah. I thought about this uh not too long ago. Actually, I think my mom asked me this question. We were having a conversation over a family dinner. Uh we were all all the family together.

Yeah.

And she asked me and she's like, you know, do you ever think about any regrets or anything like that? I'm like, don't have one. She's like, what do you mean? I'm like, what? Why would I? Like look at like look at where I am now.

Yeah.

You know, did I make stupid decisions? 100%. Yeah. Did I make even wrong decisions? Yes. But do I regret them? No. Every single set I took, every mistake that I made, every And was it a mistake? Here's where my brain gets crazy. Was it a mistake to do that wrong thing? Well, I don't know. I'm here now. Was it a mistake? [ __ ] I don't know. It's weird. It's a situation that I kind of go through in my head. you know, but do I regret

it? No. Because I'm here right now. My family's healthy. You know, I have a business that employs dozens and dozens of people. I help thousands of people. So, but would I be here if it wasn't for some of those perceived mistakes earlier in my life? Nope. 100% no. And I mean, those were, you know, the worst times of in my life. Some of those mistakes where it's like, oh my god, I can't believe like that was that wrong thing to do.

Yeah. And now I'm here and I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] was it the right thing? Was the right thing at the right time?" It's it's weird, you know? I mean, do you believe in faith? Do you believe in God? Do you believe in, you know, do you believe that maybe you have to go through things to get to where you're supposed to go? You know, none of us are supposed to be perfect.

Yeah.

No, none of us are infallible.

Yeah.

We're all on a journey. You know, I think the people that lose the journey or lose their place in the journey are the people that dwell on mistakes instead of learning from them.

That's right.

And they they have things haunt them forever.

Yeah.

And those things that haunt them stop them from progressing.

That's right.

I just keep progressing. And it's like, yeah, I screwed things up. Yeah, I've made mistakes. Yeah, I've hurt people's feelings before. Yeah, I've done some wrong things. I've done some right things. They're all got me right here. M

am I a bad person for doing a wrong thing or making a mistake? No. There's no malice. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like there, you know, a bad person.

Yes. You know,

there are there are bad people, but they're far and few compared to the

truly bad people.

Yeah.

Good people do bad things all the time.

It's true.

It's it's part of life.

It's part of life. And I believe that we do the best we can. It's even if someone murdered someone, that was the best thing that they knew to do at that part of their life. I'm not saying it's right or wrong.

Crazy to say,

but it is the best that they knew. Everybody's doing the best they can at every part of their life.

So, I don't believe in fate.

Mhm.

I do believe in God, but I also believe that I have free will to choose and that God empowers one to have free will. So, I absolutely believe in God,

but I believe that I can choose moment to moment where my life goes. And I'm not waiting to die. First of all, I believe we live forever. But I also don't believe I'm going to drop this body and then God is going to that God has just been wanting me to just live a life that is based on waiting for something. Yeah.

Like I want to live my life. I want to actually live.

Yeah. I mean, there's people there's people out there that believe that, you know, this right now is heaven. I thought that was super cool concept.

I never thought about that.

You're living it right now. Look at how cool this is.

That's cool. You know what I mean?

That's cool. I definitely don't believe in yellow. I am I never like there's no way this awareness ever goes away.

Yeah,

I do believe we pick different bodies in different lifetimes, but I don't think you ever close your eyes and you're gone forever. I hope that I don't believe that.

I hope not. And I mean,

it wouldn't even make sense.

I hope not. And I mean, you know, none of us knows what's true.

Yeah.

None of us has been to the other side and really come back, right?

Yep.

You know, so none of us have

actually

I know they say that. You know what I mean? And it's like, oh, I saw a light. I saw this. after awesome. Cool. I I hope I get there. I think I'm a good enough person where I can, right? Yeah.

Not a perfect person. Good enough person. I think I'm doing the right things.

If I get to go another round, if reincarnation's real, holy [ __ ] that's cool.

1:52:17Closing

Yeah.

I'm super excited for that. I hope I remember.

Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

I hope I remember that. You know, I don't know what's real and I don't think I'm supposed to, but I know that right now, right here is happening and I'm trying to make the best out of right now, right here.

Yeah.

And dwelling on things and having regrets and and living a life where it's like,

oh man, I wish I didn't do that. I wish I

strongly agree.

You did it.

Just own it. You did it.

It's over now.

If you need to say sorry, say sorry. If you need to change past, change pass. If you did something wrong

and you got in trouble, you need to go to jail for a little bit.

Yeah.

Come out better.

That's right.

But just

or make the best of it in jail for the rest of your life.

I mean, listen, my friend Mel Chansy, he was an ex Hell's Angels like like head of the Hell's Angels in Chicago. Wow.

He went to prison for a long time, came out a reformed Christian.

Wow.

And now he's changing people's lives. He actually partly owns a uh medical clinic, not unlike mine, that helps military veterans.

That's awesome.

He's best friends with the guy who arrested him and put him in prison.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah. They were just interviewed on Shawn Ryan's podcast.

Completely turned around his life.

Turn it around.

Yeah.

Would he have turned it around if he didn't get arrested?

Maybe not.

Probably not.

And maybe it wouldn't have been as great as it is today.

And he probably got killed or something like that. Like like that all happened for a reason.

That's so awesome.

You know what I mean? And I guarantee he doesn't regret it because he loves the person he is now.

It's true. You got this one life. Just make the best of it.

You did it. You said you've got this one life.

Maybe. Wolf out.

I'll let you know if I come back.

Well, Tommo, thank you so much for this beautiful space that we're in. Your rejuvenation. I can I call it a rejuvenation center?

Sure. Absolutely.

I feel rejuvenated just being here.

It's a great conversation.

Yeah. I'm going to take pictures just so they can see what I'm talking about because I feel like I'm in a health center and an aesthetic center because they look so much like a museum. Sure.

And as an artist, I enjoyed it and appreciate it so much. So, thank you for your time.

Thank you so much.

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